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Started by Kenton Abbott Hoover
Mon, 08 Jun 1987 22:13
ATM secret codes
Author: Kenton Abbott Hoover
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1987 22:13
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1987 22:13
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two items: one, a low-tech i know uses PEEESS (the initials of his business) as his PIN, BUT he (w/o being warned) simply shifts the digits a certain amount. Secpac, here in CA, allows you to choose your own PIN, but you can use from 4 to 6 digits, so you would have to try the purse/wallet choices, but in 4, 5 and 6 digit modes. two, the machine beeping at you doesnt always help. a friend of mine was waiting behind someone for an ATM one day. The person did their transaction and left. When my friend got to the ATM, it said (on the display) "Would you like another transaction?" Of course, my friend said yes, and withdrew $100.00 from the account, quit, pocketed the card and then used his own card for his own transaction. He then went into the branch, turned in the card, with a check for $100.00 (he may be a prankster, but he is not totally w/o morals) and has a great story.
Re: ATM secret codes
Author: John Eaton
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1987 20:44
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1987 20:44
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<<< < < When my friend got to the ATM, it said (on the display) "Would you like < another transaction?" Of course, my friend said yes, and withdrew $100.00 < from the account, quit, pocketed the card and then used his own card for his < own transaction. He then went into the branch, turned in the card, with a < check for $100.00 (he may be a prankster, but he is not totally w/o morals) < and has a great story. ---------- Story would have been even better if the previous user had realized his mistake and returned suddenly. A lot of people would get down right irrate and violent if they caught someone doing that to them. John Eaton !hplabs!hp-pcd!john
Re: ATM secret codes
Author: Chris Moss
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1987 16:41
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1987 16:41
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In UK all the ATMs insist you withdraw the card BEFORE you take the money. This gets over most problems, though I have to confess I once walked away and left the money in the machine! Boy did I get back quick, and was grateful to be in a nice civilized town! From a protocol point of view I rather like the machines that make cash withdrawal the last operation and don't ask you "Any more transactions?" after you've asked for cash, but spit out your card and, when you've taken it, give you the money. Cuts down the waiting line a bit.
Re: ATM secret codes
Author: peterf
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1987 20:35
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1987 20:35
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< When my friend got to the ATM, it said (on the display) "Would you like
< another transaction?" Of course, my friend said yes, and withdrew $100.00
< from the account, quit, pocketed the card and then used his own card for his
< own transaction. He then went into the branch, turned in the card, with a
< check for $100.00 (he may be a prankster, but he is not totally w/o morals)
< and has a great story.
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Here's another story in the same genre:
A couple of years ago a book was published here in Sweden by an
unknown author who explained a lot of ways on how to fool 'the
computer society'. Rumor has it that he'd actually gone through with
some of the things he wrote about but no proof was every produced,
mostly due to the fact that large corporations (read BANKS) are not
very keen on prosecution and admitting that they've been fooled.
Anyway, the scheme described was this: a couple of guys rented a
store downtown Stockholm and instead of a shopwindow they put up a
normal wall. Then they made a machine which looked just like a regular
ATM (withdrawal-only) and installed in their newly built wall. This
machine had a small CRT and a keypad just like regular ATMs and it was
also able to read the magnetic strip of the plastic card.
When a customer inserted his card the machine would read the magnetic
strip and save that on a regular cassette tape. It would then ask for
the sum, wait a little while and ask for the secret 4-digit code which
was also recorded on the tape. The machine would then promptly display
something like 'Technical Error' and return the card.
Since everything was automatic all the guys had to do was to return at
night, get the tape, reprogram one of their own cards (easily done
with the right equipment), read the secret code and start to withdraw
money from any *regular* machine.
Since the banks send out account information on a given date it was
easy to choose a time when they knew that people weren't very likely
to find out that their deposits had reached a new low. Instead the
scam was discovered through people calling the bank and complaining
about a machine that had been broken for quite some time without
anyone repairing it.....
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