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If you have information about the person who has released a public-domain
program that implements an algorithm similar to the RSA one, please send
me the info (or post it) on how to obtain a copy.  BBS numbers, or
whatever.

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In article <107@lll-risky.arpa> tjt@lll-tis.arpa (Tim Tessin) writes:
>In article <10307@duke.cs.duke.edu> srt@duke.UUCP (Stephen R. Tate) writes:
>> 
>> Patents?  How about importing such a thing into the US?  Maybe the
>
>Or he doesn't care.  Legally, it is RSA's job to go after him and anyone
>using that "public domain" version.  If they don't, then the patent rights
>can be challenged on the basis that they don't enforce them.  
>What are the chances of getting caught if you are not distributing the 
>stuff?  Probably, close to zero.  We have been

I expect that one of the characteristics of a "good" encryption
scheme is that it is this side of impossible to demonstrate from
the encrypted message which scheme was used to encrypt the
original.  Because of this difficulty I wonder if the patent
holders of RSA could ever prosecute anyone for *using* RSA.  That
difficulty may prove an interesting point should someone try to
take them to task for non-enforcement.

Well, I think that the RSA patent holders need to get off their
duff and get their invention out as a product.  A lot of us would
use it if priced in a reasonable way.

Selling or advertising such a product is another topic.

Thanks for the Soap.

Thomas P. Mitchell (mitch@stride1.Stride.COM)
Phone:	(702) 322-6868 TWX:	910-395-6073
MicroSage Computer Systems Inc. a Division of Stride Micro.
Opinions expressed are probably mine. 

In article <683@stride.Stride.COM> (Thomas P. Mitchell) writes:
> Well, I think that the RSA patent holders need to get off their
> duff and get their invention out as a product.  A lot of us would
> use it if priced in a reasonable way.

RSA based products are available from RSA Data Security 
(415-595-8782) for reasonable prices.  They have two products, 
Mailsafe and BSAFE.  Mailsafe is a
product which sends encrypted electronic mail between PC's.  BSAFE
is the coded RSA algorithms in 'C'.  My only objection to paying them
lots of money is that if the Government already has rights to the
stuff, I will only pay them a reasonable charge for the implementation,
not for rights to use it.  

Tim Tessin - Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 
Phone: (415) 423-4560 / 422-8971
ARPA:  tjt@lll-tis.ARPA
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In article <109@lll-risky.arpa> tjt@lll-risky.arpa (Tim Tessin) writes:
>In article <683@stride.Stride.COM> (Thomas P. Mitchell) writes:
>> Well, I think that the RSA patent holders need to get off their
>> duff and get their invention out as a product.  A lot of us would
>> use it if priced in a reasonable way.
>
>RSA based products are available from RSA Data Security 
>(415-595-8782) for reasonable prices.  They have two products, 
>Mailsafe and BSAFE.  Mailsafe is a
>product which sends encrypted electronic mail between PC's.  BSAFE
>is the coded RSA algorithms in 'C'.

Thanks Tim;

I called and these are available for MS-DOS.  They are not
presently available for other environments, VAX or NCR machines
(or ours Stride).

With a pre-payment of royalties ($10,000) one could get the
subroutine libraries (*.o files) for BSAFE.  Then with the
libraries one could set out to build some thing useful.  None of
which could be exported outside of the US without limiting the
bit size of the keys and stripping out DES.

>lots of money is that if the Government already has rights to the
>stuff, I will only pay them a reasonable charge for the implementation,
>not for rights to use it.  
Amen 

Perhaps we in this group are barking up the wrong tree.  Rather
than building a vault we might consider an envelope.  Something
not too tough but strong enough to keep the postman from reading
the mail by holding it up to the light.  If we use VAX hours as a
standard measure of decryption difficulty I would consider 2-5 VAX
hours per K bytes of message a good envelope.

Thomas P. Mitchell (mitch@stride1.Stride.COM)
Phone:	(702) 322-6868 TWX:	910-395-6073
MicroSage Computer Systems Inc. a Division of Stride Micro.
Opinions expressed are probably mine.