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3 total messages Started by Mark Fulk Tue, 05 Jan 1988 19:52
Re: satellites
#3929
Author: Mark Fulk
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1988 19:52
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The reference for the following is an old issue of Discover, probably
about six months ago.  Obviously, I don't have it in hand as I type.

There is a mechanism (non-satellite) by which Waite might have very reasonably
been recognizably photographed.  Of course, he would have had to be outside.

Note that he would not have to be unmasked; other distinguishing
characteristics might have identified him.  Remember that Waite is quite tall
and broad-shouldered; he stands out in a crowd in Lebanon.  If one saw a
tall, broad-shouldered masked person with a big head in the midst of a bunch
of Arabic captors in Beirut, he would almost certainly be Waite.

The mechanism is video surveillance by the Mastiff remotely-piloted airplane.
The Mastiff is essentially a model airplane with a wingspan of seven or eight
feet; it is propeller driven and can hold a fairly close position quite high
without drawing a lot of attention.  The Israeli's have made very effective
use of the Mastiff in the past; once they showed an American general a complete
video record of his comings and goings in Lebanon during an official visit.
The general was previously unaware of the surveillance.  A consequence of
that event is that the US is busy developing its own (grossly over-expensive
hi-tech) version of the same thing.

The advantages of this hypothesis are that 1) a low picture angle that
would allow seeing Waite's face or guessing his body dimensions would
be feasible and 2) a past record of just this sort of surveillance in
Lebanon.  The story is more believable if the captors were unaware of the
surveillance and thus had no reason to conceal Waite from the skies.

Then why the satellite story?  Possibly crossed (Lacrossed?) wires;
possibly another RPV that uses a satellite link to send its pictures (why?);
possibly someone wants the photograph seen but doesn't want the real source
known.  Speculation is endless.

With respect to the credibility of AP: remember they merely reported the
words of another newspaper about the Waite picture; they did not stake
their reputation on the truth of those words.

Mark Fulk
fulk@cs.rochester.edu
Re: satellites
#3930
Author: Phil R. Karn
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1988 14:28
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All this talk about Terry Waite and NSA satellites forgets that NSA is
in the electronic intelligence business, not the picture taking
business. The latter is the CIA's and NRO's domain.

Chances are that the news report was based on some intercepted
electronic communication (e.g., mobile radio, microwave telephone link)
having to do with Waite.

Perhaps the NSA should start an agressive campaign to export cellular
telephone systems to countries like Lebanon. :-)

Phil
Re: satellites
#3932
Author: Jonathan Isaiah Kamens
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1988 00:56
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Phil R. Karn says:
> All this talk about Terry Waite and NSA satellites forgets that NSA is
> in the electronic intelligence business, not the picture taking
> business. The latter is the CIA's and NRO's domain.

When has that stopped the NSA before?  I think it is a bit naive to
assume that the NSA never does anything that falls out of their
"domain."  In fact, I am sure it is very naive to believe this.

 -=> Jonathan I. Kamens | "There is no expedient to which man will not go
     MIT '91            |  to avoid the real labor of thought."
     jik@ATHENA.MIT.EDU |                          -- Thomas Alva Edison
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