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Started by Mark Fulk
Tue, 05 Jan 1988 19:52
Re: satellites
Author: Mark Fulk
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1988 19:52
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1988 19:52
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The reference for the following is an old issue of Discover, probably about six months ago. Obviously, I don't have it in hand as I type. There is a mechanism (non-satellite) by which Waite might have very reasonably been recognizably photographed. Of course, he would have had to be outside. Note that he would not have to be unmasked; other distinguishing characteristics might have identified him. Remember that Waite is quite tall and broad-shouldered; he stands out in a crowd in Lebanon. If one saw a tall, broad-shouldered masked person with a big head in the midst of a bunch of Arabic captors in Beirut, he would almost certainly be Waite. The mechanism is video surveillance by the Mastiff remotely-piloted airplane. The Mastiff is essentially a model airplane with a wingspan of seven or eight feet; it is propeller driven and can hold a fairly close position quite high without drawing a lot of attention. The Israeli's have made very effective use of the Mastiff in the past; once they showed an American general a complete video record of his comings and goings in Lebanon during an official visit. The general was previously unaware of the surveillance. A consequence of that event is that the US is busy developing its own (grossly over-expensive hi-tech) version of the same thing. The advantages of this hypothesis are that 1) a low picture angle that would allow seeing Waite's face or guessing his body dimensions would be feasible and 2) a past record of just this sort of surveillance in Lebanon. The story is more believable if the captors were unaware of the surveillance and thus had no reason to conceal Waite from the skies. Then why the satellite story? Possibly crossed (Lacrossed?) wires; possibly another RPV that uses a satellite link to send its pictures (why?); possibly someone wants the photograph seen but doesn't want the real source known. Speculation is endless. With respect to the credibility of AP: remember they merely reported the words of another newspaper about the Waite picture; they did not stake their reputation on the truth of those words. Mark Fulk fulk@cs.rochester.edu
Re: satellites
Author: Phil R. Karn
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1988 14:28
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1988 14:28
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All this talk about Terry Waite and NSA satellites forgets that NSA is in the electronic intelligence business, not the picture taking business. The latter is the CIA's and NRO's domain. Chances are that the news report was based on some intercepted electronic communication (e.g., mobile radio, microwave telephone link) having to do with Waite. Perhaps the NSA should start an agressive campaign to export cellular telephone systems to countries like Lebanon. :-) Phil
Re: satellites
Author: Jonathan Isaiah Kamens
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1988 00:56
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1988 00:56
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Phil R. Karn says:
> All this talk about Terry Waite and NSA satellites forgets that NSA is
> in the electronic intelligence business, not the picture taking
> business. The latter is the CIA's and NRO's domain.
When has that stopped the NSA before? I think it is a bit naive to
assume that the NSA never does anything that falls out of their
"domain." In fact, I am sure it is very naive to believe this.
-=> Jonathan I. Kamens | "There is no expedient to which man will not go
MIT '91 | to avoid the real labor of thought."
jik@ATHENA.MIT.EDU | -- Thomas Alva Edison
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