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On 06/18/2010 11:13 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Roy Carin  <roy_carin_mail-vtrcl@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> On 06/17/2010 12:11 PM, Michael Coburn wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:46:26 -0700, Sam Spade wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roy Carin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> However, the wealthy do not OWE the state government of California any
>>>>> more than what they've already provided. Those "wealthy" who are
>>>>> creating businesses and jobs have already contributed much more than
>>>>> the average person.
>>>> Most Democrats and public "service" employees are incapable of
>>>> understanding that concept.
>>> This religious affliction concerning the contribution of the rich still 
>>> drives the moronic rightards even though reality says otherwise.  This 
>>> country has not been destroyed by Democrats.  
>> Yes it has. The Democrats have proven to themselves, all future 
>> politicians and the voting public that it's possible for the people to 
>> vote themselves money from the U.S. treasury. 
> 
> Over the past 30 years it has been the GOP that has run up almost
> $10,000,000,000,000 in debt.  Clinton is the only one to have balanced
> the budget.
> 

You're right. Clinton was one of the best presidents of modern times. 
Spending for votes spans both parties. While the Democrats were the 
first ones to do it, both parties do that now. Heck, the Democrats were 
the first to support empire whereas the Republicans were originally 
isolationist.

Now neither party can abandon empire or socialism.

I stand by my statement: Democrats have proven to themselves, and all 
future Democrats and Republicans, that it's possible to get votes by 
supporting empire abroad and socialism at home. It would have been 
better had there been a party switch where the Republicans switched to 
"empire" and the Democrats became isolationist, or the Republicans 
became spendthrifts and the Democrats became the frugal party, but there 
was never a true party switch.

Instead, as Caroll Quigley recommended, both parties support the same 
basic policies. "Both the Republican and Democratic parties are owned by 
the same global elites, and on issues that matter, they act as one" 
(Robert Bowman) 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=oFOyyXebQRk&feature=related>.