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Article #2106Re: Technological Singularity
From: Craig Burley
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:00
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"Ian J. Lewis" <ian.lewis3@virgin.net> writes: > Evolution is a mythology. As the biosphere develops - > so do its constituent parts. We are part of this oneness. Really? > Next you will be saying that the foetus was replaced by > the baby by natural selection; No, I won't. Hmm, if we are part of this oneness, how come you didn't *know* I wouldn't? > when all along it was a mere > unfolding into matter through time. In essence, all things built out of matter are merely a bunch of tiny particles believed to be interacting in accordance with some pre-defined laws -- which nobody has been able to explain in terms of where those laws came from, how they were designed, who designed them, and why. (Not that plenty of speculation hasn't been offered.) In fact, the Big Bang never happened -- this is all just one of many billions of simulations being tried before the actual experiment being done. :) Still, though we might wish to view all evolutional arguments as being "merely" a matter of who produces the most grandchildren, and further dumb it down to just a bazillion particles interacting, I find that, in practice, it's worthwhile considering the higher- level mechanisms that might be operating. Even though these mechanisms almost certainly have no direct support in the material world, they do seem to be abstractions with some potentially useful "weight" in the field of product design and distribution. If I didn't think such consideration was worthwhile, I'd just claim that all these USENET posts were just arbitrary bunches of bits that were essentially randomly arranged according to some cosmic rules, so there was therefore no point in discussing *anything* about what they might really "mean". Yet, people who love to define some things (or all things) in terms of the least divisible components they can identify often insist on treating these evanescent higher-level constructions built out of electrons as if they were something else (say, a discussion about evolution) entirely. And, to anyone who claims everything is all "one" with some mystical notion of a "universe" and that "matter" is thus just acting out this "oneness" in a fashion that renders pointless any discussions of medium-level behaviors such as evolution, geology, mathematics, and what-not, I ask: if that's so, exactly why do you have to bother claiming it at all? -- "Practice random senselessness and act kind of beautiful." James Craig Burley, Software Craftsperson burley@gnu.org
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd5f7,3de6aaf66239df89 X-Google-Attributes: gidfd5f7,public X-Google-Thread: fd6dd,3de6aaf66239df89 X-Google-Attributes: gidfd6dd,public X-Google-Thread: 102b75,3de6aaf66239df89 X-Google-Attributes: gid102b75,public X-Google-Thread: 10461e,3de6aaf66239df89 X-Google-Attributes: gid10461e,public X-Google-Thread: 1045ed,3de6aaf66239df89 X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ed,public From: Craig Burley <burley@tweedledumb.cygnus.com> Subject: Re: Technological Singularity Date: 1998/06/09 Message-ID: <y6k96q5xz9.fsf@tweedledumb.cygnus.com> X-Deja-AN: 361081126 References: <357011e7.0@news.victoria.tc.ca> <goCd1.854$On1.3424263@ptah.visi.com> <6l7ea1$p9d$1@andros.cygnus.com> <3577AC63.70B2@remove.muenchen.this.org.junk> <897046320.6598.0.nnrp-08.c2d9a433@news.demon.co.uk> <m3ra14ne5f.fsf@fred.muc.de> <897055411.10293.0.nnrp-08.c2d9a433@news.demon.co.uk> <y6g1hjkby5.fsf@tweedledumb.cygnus.com> <357C6ED2.434709D0@virgin.net> Organization: Cygnus Support Newsgroups: sci.econ,bionet.neuroscience,comp.ai,comp.arch,comp.robotics.misc