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"RJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message 
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> Yes, they are called MEXICANS!


In california state government, Cal Trans for instance, on 
touring their 9 story building, (about half the desks empty 
but with coffee cups full of two day old coffee)... I met very 
latino's.

The staff population was close to 100% american, blacks and 
whites on the first floor public offices.

The 12 stories above at a guess was close to 100% asian, 
philipino, korean and chinese, most not fluent in english, 
some couldnt understand my questions at all,      Those will 
retire after 20 years at around 35,000 dollars a year...in 10 
more years they can retire at 60,000 to 100,000 dollars a 
year.

(the current average american retirement after 45 yearsm at 
age 65 averages 900 dollars a month.... parking tickets in SF 
calif are 85 dollars... the last meter maid that ticketed me 
didnt speak english)

I waiting outside of the Marin county corporate offices 
yesterday at shift change...  about 20 chinese guys passed me 
on their way out, they could have been native americans but I 
doubt it... a few were speaking mandarin....only two or three 
obvious americans passed me, in suits they looked like 
attorneys.


Government is going broke... the middle class tax base is 
collapsing for 5 years now, but even before that govt was 
hiring green card people predominantly it appears.


Phil Scott

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> "arminius" <richard norton@cybertrails.com> wrote in message 
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>> "Alcibiades" <was-scipio@laced�mon.net> wrote in message
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>>> I'm surprised to still see these people showing up in 
>>> Immigration fora
>>> claiming the Illegals and other 3rd-World Stormtroopers 
>>> are here to
>>> take jobs Americans don't want. That is straight-up 
>>> bullshit for all
>>> of us old enough to remember our communities before 
>>> Illegals and
>>> visa-hires showed up, that's something we personally know 
>>> not to be
>>> the case. Those readers who are younger should engage 
>>> their
>>> imaginations a little bit and realize that Americans have 
>>> always done
>>> every sort of job. The only time they could not afford to 
>>> do them was
>>> during periods of, you guessed it, high immigration. You 
>>> stop the
>>> immigration, wages float back up, and Americans come in to 
>>> get them.
>>> That's how it's worked for over 200 years.
>>>
>>> The only practical effect of supporting Illegals and visa 
>>> workers is
>>> to lower wages and make all of us poorer. There IS no 
>>> benefit. It's as
>>> simple as that. Persons who come on here talking like 
>>> libertarian
>>> business wonks, making light of other people's 
>>> unemployment or reduced
>>> incomes, well, they are just bad apples.
>>>
>>> Here is an interesting report from an APR frontpage link:
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>>> http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/november/1123_immigration_ad.shtml
>>>
>>> Foreign Workers Taking Jobs Americans Want, Group's Ad 
>>> Says
>>> By Melanie Hunter
>>> CNSNews.com Senior Editor
>>> November 23, 2005
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>>> (CNSNews.com) -- A coalition of trade groups has launched 
>>> a television
>>> ad campaign to address immigration and the notion that 
>>> "foreign
>>> workers do jobs Americans won't do."
>>>
>>> The Coalition for the Future American Worker (CFAW) said 
>>> its campaign
>>> is directed at President Bush and features blue-collar and 
>>> service
>>> employees urging the president to cut the number of 
>>> foreign workers
>>> allowed to enter the country. Bush has praised foreign 
>>> labor for
>>> taking jobs Americans won't do, but that's a fallacy, the 
>>> group said.
>>>
>>> "This public education campaign is long overdue. Hardly 
>>> anybody is
>>> standing up for American workers and blue-collar families 
>>> any more,"
>>> said CFAW spokesman Roy Beck.
>>>
>>> "Yet, they are the ones disproportionately affected by 
>>> these
>>> uninhibited flows of foreign labor. Americans' wages are 
>>> being
>>> depressed, their jobs are being taken and they're helpless 
>>> to do much
>>> about it," Beck added.
>>>
>>> In the commercial's opening scene, an unemployed man is 
>>> sitting on the
>>> back steps of a middle-class home, saying "President Bush 
>>> says foreign
>>> workers do jobs Americans won't do. Mr. President, I'll do 
>>> that job."
>>>
>>> Then the words "12 million Americans can't find a full 
>>> time job" are
>>> featured on the screen.
>>>
>>> A hotel worker then tells Bush "if immigration increases, 
>>> we'll have
>>> more foreign workers who will work for next to nothing. I 
>>> need to make
>>> enough to feed my family." That is followed by a screen 
>>> saying that
>>> foreign workers depress U.S. wages. The ad offers 
>>> "educational facts
>>> throughout."
>>>
>>> According to Beck, all the jobs that are usually filled in 
>>> high
>>> numbers by foreigners were recently filled by Americans.
>>>
>>> "The massive influx of foreign workers has collapsed one 
>>> occupation
>>> after another so that they no longer provide middle-class 
>>> wages and
>>> benefits," Beck said.
>>>
>>> For example, he said the meat packing industry once paid 
>>> "good middle
>>> class wages" but after discovering that there is "an 
>>> endless supply"
>>> of foreigners to fill those jobs, the industry has 
>>> "dramatically" cut
>>> wages and safety conditions.
>>>
>>> "It's really a shame. Our misguided immigration policies 
>>> are causing
>>> American workers to lose wages and eventually their jobs," 
>>> Beck said.
>>> "The size of the flow of foreign workers into this country 
>>> is
>>> unprecedented and undermining our entire middle-class 
>>> society."
>>>
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>>> I suggest emailing this article to your friends.
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>> Hank
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