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Article #2446Re: Models of Man: Homo religiosus
From: hhc314
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:39
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:39
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On Aug 26, 2:39 pm, Fabrizio J Bonsignore <djbonsign...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Lets characterize Homo religiosus in this context as a believer in the > afterlife. Homo religiosus is different from Homo oeconomicus in that > his decision horizon includes a (potential) eternity. Short term > maximizing behaviour brakes under this assumption, such that utility > orderings differ from those of people who dont believe in an eternal > life or dont care about it. For the religious man, what happens in the > next, eternal life is more important that what may happen in his > current, immediate life. This includes an essential opposition in > value (orderings) between hmo religiosus and oeconomicus that is not > solved by the market. Homo religiousus will tend to discount at a > higher value his future eternal life than his current life! So a > systematic distortion is added to maximizing behaviour where decision > wont be seen as optimum for current life believers, but will make > sense for those who believe in perpetuity. This short term suboptimum > path is not compensated by any _visible_ market... > > What matters most is that there is no communication between this life > and future eternal life. Hoarding for future life doesnt work, as > there will be no payment that can be anticipated in this life. > Financial decisions are biased. There is no way for hypothetical > actors in the future eternal life to engage in commercial activities > for current life economic agents! > > All financing is seen as a perpetuity, as opposed to more measured > time horizons for investments, particularly human capital investments. > Because of its nature, capital investment in, say, knowledge for the > future life make no sense in terms of current life! That is, reading > religious books or engaging in praying will report no benefit or > economic activity gains in this life so those activities have to be > considered as leisure time or consumption time of few goods... > > In aggregate terms, even if religion does create a maket, religious > men following leisure time, non optimum decisions will generate > widespread underdevelopment.... > > Note that depending on the particular belief in the afterlife life, > even antieconomic activities like war, destruction, genocide or > suicide (satanics) will make sense for the decision maker even if > total output, both personal or collective is diminished, temporally or > permanently! > > Religious activities like praying can be seen as an investment > expecting a future payment in the afterlife. From this point of view, > not producing either goods or services in the normal sense can be > justified for the individual, to the point of self destruction of the > individual... > > Charity is of course justified thus as it will give revenue (a fixed > perpetuity) in the afterlife! > > (I think I lost another day, second day this weekend and I dont know > why) > > This is taken from the Theory of Beliefs thread: > > Lets define a (concurrent) algebra G over all chains of words G:(W,H + > | _ = ) > > where W, H are chains of words w1w2w3... h1h2h3... there is a number > n > of chains occurring simultaneously. For two simulatneous chains > w1w2w3... + h1h2h3... we can define operators in general as: > > +: w1h2w3... > | : w1w2h2w3... > _: h1h2h3... > =: (w1h1)(w2h2)(w3h3)... > > This algebra expresses telepathic and freudian slips. Operation + is > the typical freudian slip, where a word is misspelled giving a new > meaning to the whole phrase, that is, some intended word by the > speaker is substituted by a word heard consciously or unconsciously > in > the hidden channel; this is the typical slip characterized by freud > as > giving some unconscious message; note that some freudian slips swap > words. Operation | intercalates words from the hidden channel in the > speech of the speaker, the speaker unaware of it; in this case the > original speech is meaningful, that is, w1w2 w3.... recover the > original word stream so this operation has a partial inverse > operator; > the hidden channel content is expressed by the intercalated words, > which can be distinguished as they themselves form a separate > message. > Operation _ would be total substitution of the speaker s speech; the > original stream is lost and the hearer can only hear the hidden > channel, which is true of mediums and trance like states of mind > (this > operation can also model the case were there is no underlying speech > stream but the hidden channel is heard nonetheless as coming from the > hypothetical speaker). Operation = intends to purpport that both > channels are heard at the same time by the hearer. Both streams > occur, > a schizo hearer would hear both or only the hiddne channel, a normal > hearer would only perceive once stream. Note that for two streams > occurring concurrently, some operations may be confused depending on > the hearer s abilities, so _ and = may be interchangeable, in which > case they can be used to model threshold conditions. | is > informative, > + is misleading to the hearer. In general there wouldnt be a one to > one correspondence between two the two streams, so some stocasticity > (indetermination) has to be assumed for big numbers of operation > samplings. + may be under control by strong telepaths, strongness > depending on the relation between the telepath and target, while | > would be totally indetermined and may or may not be noticed by the > hearer, though for non schizos would be most informative; some > unconscious selection by the speaker would take place in selecting > what words are included in the resulting stream. The last two > operations would be to blame in coflicts between a target speaker and > an schizo(phrenic) or normal hearer, as the hearer would get a > message > very different from that intended by the speaker, though this effect > may or may not be in control of the telepath. (this is what I was > supposed to write yesterday... the other ideas I reserve for later). > > Fabrizio J Bonsignore now Danilo J Bonsignore Farbrizio, do you really think anyone is a physical science oriented newsgroup really gives a rat's fuck bout your thoughts? Go find a religious newsgroup to hurl your vomit upon. Harry
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