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Re: Theory of beliefs, belief fields

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From: Fabrizio J Bonsignore
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:26
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> Assume we impose a limit on the number of feminine relation(ship)s a
> man can have. Lets say four. If the man lives in a family of mother,
> aunt and grandmother, THEN he can only have ONE girlfriend or other
> feminine relation in his life! Some rationale to include close family
> inot the limit is that incest cannot be completely proven... so, the
> question is, what would happen if the man and the girlfriend have a
> DAUGHTER?

> Note how this single _rule_ can be used to justify ALL KINDS OF
> (Occidental) CRIMES. As enforcers cant REALLY know, they can simply
> assume that incest occurs _normally_; that way they cannot err
> according to that
> rule! SO there is a strong motivation to engage in incest as it will
> be assumed at the outset by the (unwanted) enforcers. It means sex
> with mothers, aunts and sisters. Then it is justified too to take away
> children from their family as it will ensure that they remain _free_
> for future relation(ship)s. According to that single unique law boys
> can remain with their feminine family if enforcers dont consider them
> fortunate enough to have the four relationships later in life, but
> GIRLS, if the count exceeds the statuted limit, HAVE to be taken away
> from the family so to avoid UNLAWFUL incests, that is, _possible_
> _anticipated_ incests that would put actors in out_of_place (to borrow
> a soccer term) and hence would have to be punished later (by the same
> enforcers). So it is very easy to justify child abductions of all
> kinds, mainly of girls. Note also how this can be implemented as a
> game (in the mathematical sense), where families can assume enforcers
> dont have the knowledge, then engage in defeating practices, for
> instance, shunning women out of the family OR kidnapping women to have
> more unlawful relationships without enforcers knowing, by keeping them
> apart. In extreme cases it would justify murder, the more so the more
> important the person, a man, is or becomes, as enforcers cannot go
> through the risk that important people be seen as breaking the rule
> because other people would follow the example, leaving enforcers in
> the dire problem of having to forfeit their rule (the rule that gives
> them meaning). So besides incest, abduction, kidnapping (some torture
> would be attached to it as a way of enforcing the kidnapping), murder
> can also be justified in a hard game of enforcing the law of no more
> then four (lets say n) relation(ship)s in a man s life. This is one of
> the supports for the application of the Sterens algorithms by players
> contrary to the rule. With a Sterens algorithm the man can _enjoy_
> more than one relation without being considered, by those who
> implement the _COUNT_, as breaking the law. Some measure of deceit is
> needed, so women must look alike enough as to deceive people who would
> act as enforcers. This last condition is more or less achieved if they
> belong to the same family, otherwise some form of physical
> modification is needed, which leads back to torture as a primitive,
> basic means to make people look alike (a very primitive minded need,
> as it is the need, the atavic recognition that ANIMALS look alike
> while people tend to be different). So torture is **justified** both
> ways, to enforce kidnappings and to deceive the enforcers, very likely
> also as punishment by enforcers when their count is obviously broken
> by whom they, very **_lawfully_*, would call **criminals**. A further,
> wider crime from the biological point of view, that of reducing the
> diversity of the human genetic pool is also justified by recurring to
> that law, since to break
> the law without punishment by applying the Sterens algorithm similarly
> looking women have to be found and used to create a new population of
> very similarly looking people by forcing a single set of genes on
> that, at first, diverse genetic pool, therefore reducing diversity for
> the next generation. It is important to note that the man in the
> center does not need to be aware of the framework as it would give him
> an incentive to become one of the law breakers through kidnapping...

So having this real-life mechanic and argument hidden from the target,
better, from most people, will serves better the labor of the
enforcers, as then they can act without the target(s) turning into an
obstacle for
them nor other people obstructing their labor. They just need to make
suggestions, ideally in a complying society, to direct people as if
through rudder touches. Here can be found a good incentive to kidnap
children from the craddle (changed baby). Considering that denial of
incest would not constitute an absolute proof of truth for the
enforcers and they prefer to err on the short side, a rational actor
for whom sex (pleasure) is a value does have the _obligation_ to
commit incest if he has knowledge of the rule and its implementation.
Stolen babies can then be motivated to have incestuos sex or not,
according to the necessities of the Sterens algorithm. There is of
course an incentive and rationalization for homosexual sex, with
children and among adults, as once the rule is enforced AND the four
long term relationships fulfilled, further need for
sex can be supplied trough homosexual sex (no marriage considered
necessary there). So the more women found in the g-1 generation for
any individual, the less women and more males will be found in the g+1
generation, satisfying the invariant of n marriages. A house full of
women would turn the man into candidate to **male-only**
relationships, as he would have had the chance to fulfill the limit
with the women in his house (being all in a house, it must be a
marriage, nothing else can be assumed lest the enforcers are deceived
with false relationships, advantage always being given to the
enforcers as it is te sacred rule that has to be enforced for the good
of the individual). This is the basis then to justify sex with male
boys, of the same family or not: males dont form marriages, so those
relations are safe for purposes of the rule (that there may other
rules considering this homosexual relation(ship)s lawful or not,
enforceable or not, subjected to punishment or not, is irrelevant for
purposes of the main rule governing marriage, that is, long term
relations between male and female; note here that the particular
connotation of marriage would be a point of doctrine, having to assume
the most basic interpretation which is that of long term, possibly
sexual relation between male and female). In other words, sexual
desire will find an outlet in boys as the enforcers enforce the limit
on marriages, or at least in modified (gay) males, travesties, very
likely a hard decision for
the enforcer to make! But totally rational, adding homosexuality and
pederasty to the number of crimes that are justified by respecting
this limiting rule on an socially enforced basis...

[It is the other way around, it is sex that creates a relationship,
not a relationship what forces sex.]

The statue is in Lexington and 53rd. Not my statue, but it is related
to me by face similarity and the encounter. Already explained in an
email.

And they did it again, now I cant have coffee in that cheapest and
convenient of all McDonalds. What is the exact trick I am not sure,
but obviously the goal is to prevent any similarity. I cant really
believe somebody is spending resources in IT! I must be doing
something well to have that attention.

It is evident I dont have the studies to create and stop legal
trouble. Is it evident I dont want to discuss any of it here anymore?
Not even the leads. Not my fault non of them had any future in that
country. It is evident that my site wasnt lost without effort or by
indifference. Not my fault in this country _they_ decided to become
criminals. I tried to advise, that man was an ill omen bird; in
America he was an ill omen bird. Wasnt evident that there had to be
somebody watching catching the people who would approach me? What am I
supposed to do with confessions and all that trash I am having to bear
because my computer was stolen?

Fabrizio J Bonsignore now Danilo J Bonsignore
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From: "Fabrizio J Bonsignore" <djbonsignore@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: sci.econ,sci.physics,ny.general,dc.general,seattle.general
Subject: Re: Theory of beliefs, belief fields
Date: 16 Feb 2007 18:26:59 -0800
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