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Article #3081Re: Solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
From: Roger Johansson
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:00
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:00
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uj797@victoria.tc.ca (Arthur T. Murray) wrote: >In order to steal oilfields from Chechnya, the Russians >are following the old Roman observation in Latin: >"They make a wasteland; they call it peace." Well, it belonged to the russians, now somebody else is trying to steal it from them by financing the chechnian uproar forces. This is a very old tactic, remember the situation in the late 1800ths, when oil was discovered in what is today known as Iraq. The area belonged to Turkey, they had owned it for many centuries, and nobody else was interested in that land area, it was just a dry desert where a few poor people lived. After the oil was discovered there was a big international conference about who was going to own it, Britain, USA, France, Holland etc were all very interested in taking it from Turkey. In that conference Britain made a mistake which let the others get the initiative. Soon afterwards there was an uproar by the local population, financed by the britains, which meant that they got the initiative back. This was one of the first times the local population was used for gaining control over valuable land areas. Earlier the powerful countries usually sent armies to fight over the assets, ignoring and killing the local population if they got in the way. Since then the method of secretly financing and supporting local population uproars has become a popular method, because it fits better into the new ideas of human rights for all people, letting local populations have some say in how their land is going to be used, a right to selfdetermination, etc. It also saves the attacker from the risk of getting a bad reputation in the world opinion. So most local population uproars in this world are actually just a cover for an attack from another country. But there are exceptions, where the revolution is the result of longtime development and education in the population, like for example the russian revolution. But even the russian revolution got a little support from abroad. I think some german interests helped Lenin at some point, to make trouble for one of their big competitors, the Tzarist Russia and to gain some influence on the happenings there. We don't know who is financing the uproar in Chechnya, it could be a moslem country, or USA, for example. We only know that they want to rob the russians of their oil wells. And that they have no concern for the sufferings of the local population at all. All the powerhungry nations are playing the same game, including the russians, so I am not condemning anybody in particular, I just want to point to the fact that the local population very seldom has the wish to be used as pawns in a cynic game, neither do they have the money needed to finance such an operation. >Any American oil company that buys Chechen crude oil >in the future from the gangster government of Russia Would it be any better if the americans bought it from the gangsters who are now trying to steal it? To the chechnyan population it doesn't matter much who is creating all their suffering. Roger
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