Possibility of telepathy (reposted)

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Author: Fabrizio J Bonsignore
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:53

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From: fbonsign...@beethoven.com (Fabrizio J. Bonsignore)
Date: 2 Aug 2004 21:22:33 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 2 2004 11:22 pm
Subject: Possibility of telepathy (information theory)

Telepathy has been considered one of the phenomena for which science
can offer no explanation, and which therefore is relegated to the
category of superstition, though a very extended one. Most people have
lived at one time or another the `meaningful coincidence` experience
that leads to the belief in direct mind to mind communication; on the
other extreme there is the people who actually hear voices continuously
and who we consider `mentally ill`, or shizophrenics. Of coursse there
are serious teams around the world applying the scientific method to
the study of telepathy, with aparently little results, though it is
rumored that the military complex has also performed research on the
matter, with results being, of course, classified. People usually
resort to mystic beliefs to explain telepathy, while it
is argued that there is no physical support for it. I believe
otherwise. Brains are composed of interconnected `simple` information
processors that use and generate electric fields to propagate their
signals. The resultant field is so powerful that we can even measure it
*through* the crain to obtain an EEG. The measured signal is however
quite undifferentiated, even though we know there is an underlying
order to it. On the other hand we know that electric fields do have an
effect over other fields... If we live in a continuous reality we can
safely assume that a given signal will diminish continuously over time,
evetually integrating in the background noise but without losing its
caracteristics. It simply becomes too weak to be distinguishable,
though it will affect the whole electric field that surrounds us.

So it is just a matter of asking: has the brain enough computing power
to distinguish the effect on its own (generated) field caused by the
signals of other brains? We certainly go through life without listening
to others thoughts, but this may well be a learned (evolutively or
environmentally) response, maybe brough about by the developmentof
language. Sound is certainly a better, more reliable information
carrier than weak electric field interactions and so we rely on it, but
it is possible given the plasticity of the brain that under certain
circumstances groups of neurons `learn` to accept and interpret this
interactions and give them `meaning`, for instance, if the individual
is gradually losing aural acuity. It is even possible
to speculate on the organizaion of `resonator groups`, groups of
neurons that learn to fire when certain (analogous) signals affect the
brain`s field. This ability may well be the cause of the development of
certain forms of schizophrenia, like those that develop late in an
individual`s life, though it wouldn`t explain all schizophrenic cases.
We can even speculate that certain forms of schizophrenia become a
problem due to the `storm` of thoughts received and the inability of
the individual to deal with the new source of information. In fact,
many individuals may actually enjoy the benefits of telepathy without
suffering the ill consequences of schizophrenia because they are able
to process the increased quantity of information received through this
channel. I doubt telepaths would be anxious to tell the whole world
that they hear voices (sort of a secret society...), though many
psychics and entertainers around the world give this kind of shows.

The relation between the strength of the signals and the necessary
computing power to interpret and whether the brain can provide it is
amenable tom formal calculus. It may well be that Earth`s electric
field is more charged with meaning than what we usually think...

Food for thought...

8-D

[The anecdote is 2002 s. I guess that guy was impressed by my microfly
sunglasses that he managed to emit a question, why always sunglasses?
Lasik... through the door, but coming down I heard him hysteric telling
his mother that telepathy exists... So, how to explain? It shouldnt
matter, what matters is IF, it can happen at all...]

Danilo J Bonsignore previously Fabrizio J Bonsignore

Re: Possibility of telepathy (reposted)

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Author: CWatters
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:03

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"Fabrizio J Bonsignore" <djbonsignore@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
> From: fbonsign...@beethoven.com (Fabrizio J. Bonsignore)
> Date: 2 Aug 2004 21:22:33 -0700
> Local: Mon, Aug 2 2004 11:22 pm
> Subject: Possibility of telepathy (information theory)
>
> Telepathy has been considered one of the phenomena for which science
> can offer no explanation

Has telepathy even been proven to exist scientifically?

Re: Possibility of telepathy (reposted)

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Author: Fabrizio J Bonsignore
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:38

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On Jan 24, 4:03 pm, "CWatters"
<colin.watt...@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote:
> "FabrizioJBonsignore" <djbonsign...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169618010.252918.58330@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
> > From: fbonsign...@beethoven.com (FabrizioJ.Bonsignore)
> > Date: 2 Aug 2004 21:22:33 -0700
> > Local: Mon, Aug 2 2004 11:22 pm
> > Subject: Possibility of telepathy (information theory)
>
> > Telepathy has been considered one of the phenomena for which science
> > can offer no explanation... Has telepathy even been proven to exist scientifically?
I think the unity of the explanation and the variety of phenomena the
basic assumptions explain and the richness of models that can be
derived from considering it do prove it. Here the idea of efficient
encodings is not clear yet. I dont have the resources to conduct some
of the experiments and research I proposed in my series of threads.
This is an example from the belief fields thread of what can be
explained by accepting its existence, though it lacks some contexts:

On Jan 24, 5:59 am, "FabrizioJBonsignore" <djbonsign...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Do you understand that belief in the ADTERLIFE comes because a brain
> > can survive a dead body long enough to emit some voices, maybe even
> > without noting it is already dead? The brain can survive a dead body
> > ENOUGH to use telepathy!!! They dont understand that a frightened brain
> > in a dead body will edperiment a rush of adrenaline making it use
> > telepathy to access other people. Some beliefs can be understood now.
> > Big pain would turn the speech, if at all, blurry, blurrying the signal
> > to the point that a apeson dying in pain, torture, would be UNABLE to
> > use telapthy to report his death. Dying CONVINCED of afterlife and in a
> > state of peacefulness would be able to emit a coherent enough message
> > to be heard, the famous light, which of course would be charged of the
> > belief, able to convince other people, schizos. A chain is thus formed
> > of belief in the afterlife, when in fact it is just a signal
> > transmitted beacuse of a SURVIVAL mechanism: that of alarm, the
> > adrenaline alarm system acting to deliver a message when the body
> > itself feels its death, a fact taht is RATIONAL, mindful, not
> > biological in the sense that a body can recognize something else that
> > damage expressed as pain. Of course, the better this abilities are
> > essayed in life (Bardo Todol preparation, meditation,
also Tibetan reincarnation of the Dalai Lama; the dying Dalai Lama
magnetizes a baby or a boy s brain, even for months, an event sensitive
lamas would be able to track down to the baby; what exactly is
communicated and can be transmitted is a matter for research, though
most likely it is deep memories the only content that would survive
brain growth and learning, while self, consciousness, cognitive
abilities and other mind potencies being dynamic would be determined by
hardwiring and environment, in other words, unless the transmitting
mind can make a one to one copy of dynamic neural patterns, which
implies direct access to its own contents, the baby would be an
independent being, though language abilities may be enhanced and
personality would be colored by projected memories [experiences,
feelings]
> > ), the better the
> > telepathic message would be delivered. Note that according to the
> > formula, some encoding will resonate with another rational target if
> > the target is contained in that particular thought-message. This is
> > relevant as people looking like a murderer, if the act of murder is
> > such that recognition of the danger leaves time to the brain to become
> > ON, WILL get the mesage, including whatever other information it may
> > contain, most likely base sensations, as a sudden murder would devoid
> > the person of coherent thought. Here is yet another telepathic
> > characteristic that makes torture a common act in schizophrenics...

[Note that bipolar manic depressive illnesses may be cause by a distant
telepath not strong enough to make its message overcome the threshold
of consiousness. The depressed person would be unable to hear the voice
or voices at the conscious level, only their influence would be felt at
the subconsious level or expressed consciously as sudden black moods
and ideas out of the normal chain of thought. Areas receiving these
messages may be different than those involved in recognition of nearer
messages; again, the complex dynamic of distance, training, awareness,
turning it into a complex casuistic. This idea of a far distance can
also explain the myth of the **voice of conscience**, usually a child s
voice. In this case elements of the full message get lost by distance,
mainly any tone of voice information, leaving words as the most ordered
and customary element, therefore the strongest, though of course the
person s self hook has to be present too in order to receive the
message. This makes women again more susceptible to telepathic
phenomena, as males thought can be reduced mainly to women, _their_
contents divided into men and babies, children, when it comes at
thinking of people in a wide sense, essentially dividing contacts in
half, hence susceptibility; libido, desire, directs the target of most
thoughts, most appreciable over huge masses of humanity.]

Ruins. Considering that recognition of messages depends on recognizing
very small ordered patterns in resonance (native language) with brain
patterns, it is not impossible that the accumulated effect of people s
mind thinking _at_ buildings and monuments leave behind subtly ordered
molecular patterns, a slight variation over normal molecular freedom
but significative enough for sensitive minds to discern them. Hence the
origin of (legends of) ghosts, memory of murders (other explanations
possible), religious phenomena like prayings, memory of places, feeling
of a place being inhabited, etc. Some ruins would vecome ruins under
the necessit yof schizos of stop hearing the voices of other ages,
other peoples. This would be the more true in hot zones, where
alternating warmth and cold under the combined effect of people s
thought, would be enough to establish this subtle orderings. Of course,
religious monuments and ruins, being the object of praying and the
target for the presence of many people would become more **magnetized**
than seldom noticed places. They would seem to be **alive**, or to
share in the religious message. (It would be interesting to ask if this
was one of the reasons why the Buddhas in Afghanistan were destroyed).
The material of monuments would be important, ceramics, metals and
other impurities helping to this effect, though it has to be taken into
account that the **form**, content of directed thoughts would also make
sensitive people fall into the ilusion (or delusion) that it is the
monument that emits the voice, when actually it is the same brain that
picks up the message and it is interpreted, correctly, as containing or
being transmitted from, that building, or for that matter object. Here
we have also the origin of psychic recognition of objects, of
sensitivity to the posession and to the ability to obtain psychic
impressions from an object. Again emotion in the form of fear would
charge these objects and places with very strongly ordered resonant
patters at the molecular level. Destruction of buildings would be the
obvious, not technical solution if they become the preferred target for
a group of people to deliver their messages (or prayings). An
alternative more technological solution would be that of using a foam
to cover the target...

Places where spiders abound or are very noticeable can establish a
strong subconscious association to women in local populations, that can
be measured in an increased level of violence against women. What
matters is that these and other associations, repeated throughout a
whole human population, can produce such strong, base, underlying
signals that some individuals can become truly magnetized by the, lets
call it, emotion, that they express it in the form of real violence.
Being exposed to spiders as a day to day fact can be translated into
violence against women at the level of psychosis! One step beyond
phobia to spiders, though it may be necessary to introduce an internal
clasp to sustain those violent feelings. Some of these clasps, internal
like beliefs or external like mores, may be developed historically as
culture, giving as a result endemic levels of violence. Arachnids do
seem to be have this effect more than other forms of threat, including
that of human populations. [An econometrical study distinguishing
between deserts, jungles and other ecosystems correlated to violence
against women would give a good population level proof]

I am still writing this here because I am still in the same
circumstance, so I insist that the theft of what I was an object is
enough to put me under pressure and danger, myself and other people I
still dont have contact with. I still dont understand how come I am not
getting an adequate RESPONSE to my issues.

Fabrizio J Bonsignore now Danilo J Bonsignore

Re: Possibility of telepathy (reposted)

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Author: CWatters
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:44

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"Fabrizio J Bonsignore" <djbonsignore@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 24, 4:03 pm, "CWatters"
> <colin.watt...@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote:
> > "FabrizioJBonsignore" <djbonsign...@hotmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1169618010.252918.58330@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
> > > From: fbonsign...@beethoven.com (FabrizioJ.Bonsignore)
> > > Date: 2 Aug 2004 21:22:33 -0700
> > > Local: Mon, Aug 2 2004 11:22 pm
> > > Subject: Possibility of telepathy (information theory)
> >
> > > Telepathy has been considered one of the phenomena for which science
> > > can offer no explanation...

> > Has telepathy even been proven to exist scientifically?

> I think the unity of the explanation and the variety of phenomena the
> basic assumptions explain and the richness of models that can be
> derived from considering it do prove it.

Err Say what?

Think I'll wait for the results from this scientific study...

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/news/pressreleases/telepathy/

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~toby/telepathy/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2344723.html

Virtual reality puts telepathy to the test
Scientists at The University of Manchester have created a virtual computer
world designed to test telepathic ability.

The system, which immerses an individual in what looks like a life-size
computer game, has been created as part of a joint project between The
University's School of Computer Science and School of Psychological
Sciences.

Approximately 100 participants will take part in the experiment which aims
to test whether telepathy exists between individuals using the system. The
project will also look at how telepathic abilities may vary depending on the
relationships which exist between participants.

The test is carried out using two volunteers who could be friends, work
colleagues or family. They are placed in separate rooms on different floors
of the same building to eliminate any possibility of communication.

Participants enter the virtual environment by donning a head-mounted 3D
display and an electronic glove which they use to navigate their way through
the computer generated world.

Once inside participants view a random selection of computer-generated
objects. These include a telephone, a football and an umbrella. The person
in the first room sees one object at a time, which they are asked to
concentrate on and interact with.

The person in the other room is simultaneously presented with the same
object plus three decoy objects. They are then asked to select the object
they believe the other participant is trying to transmit to them.

The system was designed by Dr Craig Murray of the School of Psychological
Sciences, and implemented by Toby Howard and Dr Fabrice Caillette, from the
School of Computer Science.

Dr Toby Howard said: "This system has been designed to overcome the many
pitfalls evident in previous studies which could easily be manipulated by
participants to produce an effect which looks like telepathy but is not.

"By creating a virtual environment we are creating a completely objective
environment which makes it impossible for participants to leave signals or
even unconscious clues as to which object they have chosen."

The system has been designed to make the task as realistic as possible. In
addition to selecting objects and hearing the sounds they make, participants
are able to hold and move them within the virtual environment.

Project researcher David Wilde, of the School of Psychological Sciences,
said: "By using this technology we aim to provide the most objective study
of telepathy to date. Our aim is not to prove or disprove its existence but
to create an experimental method which stands up to scientific scrutiny."

The results of the experiment are expected to be published early in 2007.

For further information:

Simon Hunter, Media Relations Officer, University of Manchester, telephone:
0161 2758387 or email: simon.hunter@manchester.ac.uk

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