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Article #183Re: Student attitudes
From: Michael Branton
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:47
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:47
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In article <1992Dec10.155710.24168@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes: > The right thing to do is to stop sending physicists to math > departments to learn calculus and linear algebra. It just doesn't make sense. > Physics is built on these elementary subjects. The current > arrangement serves the students very poorly since the math has to be > taught in physics class anyway, not being taught quickly enough in > "real" mathematics courses. Any physicist worthy of the name can teach > calculus and algebra as well as a mathematician could, and to any degree > of rigour required. I would agree that physicists could teach calculus and algebra. "As well as any mathematician could..." is, of course, a statement whose truth relies at least upon what concepts and viewpoint is desired. My experience has been that the emphasis within physics is usually on manipulations and cookbook techniques (so that one can get down to the real work at hand.) That you claim it could be done to any degree of rigour required, I take as prima facie evidence that you suffer from a narrow viewpoint as to what calculus might be about, the ways in which the ideas can be presented and thus what role mathematics should play in a student's education. It is an attitude whose arrogance seems to occur from time to time among some in the natural sciences....( I didn't want to just offend you and the physicists who would agree with you, after all :-) ) > >Some years ago, we tried to put in a "Mathematical Methods" course, but > >the math department made a fuss about our invading their turf, so the > >proposal got shot down. > > The math department shouldn't be able to say how we will educate > our physicists. It's none of their business. > I certainly agree to that, however you might wish to consider the fact there are perspectives on mathematics which are best conveyed by those who are mathematicians, and that even physicists can benefit from a broadened point of view. -- -Michael
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Newsgroups: sci.edu,sci.math Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!hela.iti.org!cs.widener.edu!dsinc!cdin-1!ki4pv!bliss.stetson.edu!moksha!mgb From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Re: Student attitudes Message-ID: <1992Dec14.004705.1811@moksha.uucp> Followup-To: sci.math Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Reply-To: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized References: <1992Dec10.155710.24168@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:47:05 GMT Lines: 43