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Article #1017Re: An unusual Oscilloscope phenomenon
From: Joerg
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:56
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:56
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John Larkin wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:48:35 -0400, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> John Larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:42:07 -0700, <castlebravo242@att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> "David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:h8B0m.53620$FI5.3564@newsfe12.iad... >>>>> Check out a rather unusual phenomenon you can see on your oscilloscope in >>>>> my latest blog (#14): >>>>> http://www.alternatezone.com/eevblog/ >>>>> See if you can get it to happen on your scope! >>>>> I'll offer a free subscription to my blog for the best screen shot posted >>>>> :-> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and the probe doesn't have to be shorted either. >>>>> >>>>> Have fun. >>>>> Dave. >>>>> -- >>>>> ================================================ >>>>> Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast: >>>>> http://www.alternatezone.com/eevblog/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> When I worked a Century Data we had a problem with our new reel to reel >>>> vaccuum column tape drive when ever someone would walk by the drive when it >>>> was reading it would get data errors. The problem was that the shield on the >>>> cable from the heads to the preamp was grounded on both ends. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>> That's usually the best way to ground shields. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >> Depends. With floating transducers and shielded twisted pair, it's best >> to ground the shield only at the transducer end. That way any >> capacitive imbalance doesn't produce any currents, because the shield is >> at the transducer's idea of ground. >> > > At the receive (instrument) end, the ungrounded end of the coax shield > becomes the hot side of a resonant "vertical" antenna. Any voltage > there becomes 100% common-mode signal on the inner twisted pair. > > What's wrong with a little current in the shield? The signal pair > isn't affected. But volts, or tens of volts, of common-mode RF can be > nasty. > It could become really, really nasty if the cable length happens to be close to 1/4, 3/4 and so on wavelength of the offending RF signal. If the shield current is of concern it can be broken by a wee ferrite. Probably the litmus test for RF stuff like this is when people schlepp it to Otis Street and see if it can survive Sutro Tower. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
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