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Article #1765Re: Who Killed the Electric Car?
From: JosephKK
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:58
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:58
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 18:58:49 -0700 (PDT), kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> wrote: >On May 17, 12:00 pm, Robert Adsett <s...@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote: >> In article <fnFXj.506$mh5....@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>, Joerg says... ><...> >> > That's how the Toyota Prius works. Gets between 40mpg and 60mpg >> > according to what owners told me. >> >> I was pretty sure the Prius was a parallel Hybrid (the electric motor >> was in parallel to the ICE drive train). As opposed to a serial hybrid >> where the final portion of the drive train is all-electric. Some of the >> proposed hybrids appear to be of the latter. >> >> The parallel hybrid does mean that neither motor needs to be sized large >> enough for the full load. ><...> > >True, although the Prius is more of a Hybrid-Hybrid: At low speeds it >is a series hybrid with the majority of the engine power going to a >generator and then to the motor driving the wheels with only a small >amount directly from engine to wheels. > >At high speeds the situation is reversed and it acts more like a >parallel hybrid with a large fraction, up to 100% of engine power, >going straight to the wheels. > >This is done to maximize efficiency since the mechanical transmission >has an efficiency of 95% or more but the electrical losses through two >motor/generators are about 20%. That is way past remarkably crappy motor and generator efficiencies. Both are typically each 95 to 98 percent efficient. Hell the antique "Molly Long Legs" topped 99%. > >As you say the parallel approach also avoids the need to size the >electrical equipment large enough for the full load - the generator is >only 30KW even though the engine can output close to 60kW. The motor >driving the wheels is 50kW as an additional 20KW can come from the >battery. > >kevin
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