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James Arthur wrote:
> On May 19, 6:38 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
> wrote:
>> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 17:12:42 -0700, Joerg
>>> <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>> PG&E rates vary with usage and season.  The cost to charge the fleet
>>>>> of electric vehicles would have placed them in nearly the highest
>>>>> rates.  See:
>>>>> <http://www.pge.com/tariffs/ResElecCurrent.xls>
>>>>> That's the current residential rates.  My guess is that electricity
>>>>> would cost about $0.30/kw-hr at the highest rate.
>>>> Can't see the spreadsheet but IIRC it does cost that much.
>>> Y'er news header shows that you're using Windoze.  You might want to
>>> download the various Word, Excel, and Powerpoint viewers from
>>> Microsloth.
>>> Word 2003:
>>> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=95e24c87-873...>
>>> Excel 2003:
>>> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c8378bf4-996...>
>>> PowerPointless 2007:
>>> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=048DC840-14E...>
>>> Visio 2003:
>>> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3fb3bd5c-fed...>
>>>> The reason why PV is popular in Europe is that goverments there provide
>>>> HUGE subsidies. They often get well north of 50c/kWh and the other
>>>> ratepayers foot the bill. There is no free lunch.
>>> "The world's largest solar power plant is only the latest addition to
>>> Germany's investment in alternative power..."
>>> <http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100...>
>>> The way I understand it (from a rather marginal TV documentary) the
>>> logic is that when the oil runs out, Germany will have electricity
>>> while most other countries will not.  It's also part of creating jobs
>>> and dealing with the unemployment problem.  German taxpayers
>>> apparently paid about $3.8 billion last year to subsidize alternative
>>> engergy sources.  Whatever it takes.
>> I have Excel. "An unknown error occurred", the usual meaningful MS error
>> message :-(
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Joerg
> 
> The document is an incomprehensible tangle of special exceptions,
> rules, ambiguous and incomplete, with footnotes.  IOW, exactly what
> you'd expect from a publicly regulated, legislated anything.  Stay
> tuned for public healthcare.
> 
> The upshot for most people is _energy_ charges (i.e., excluding
> significant other charges) as follows:
> 
> Minimum charge of $0.15 per day,
> $0.116 / kWh for usage up to "baseline",
> $0.131 / kWh for usage up to 130% of "baseline",
> $0.226 / kWh for usage up to 200% of "baseline",
> increasing to $0.36 / kWh for users going over 300% of "baseline".
> 

Yep, that's pretty much what it is out here. Want to be environmentally 
conscious and install a heat pump? Forget about it. We knew a lady who 
recently passed away, she paid a whopping $1k in one (!) month. So we 
heat with wood.


> Estimated actual, average energy rate paid by a typical customer =
> $0.167/kWh
> 

If you don't use A/C much and don't have a heat pump.


> "baseline" isn't specified; the user is referred to another raft of
> god-awful charts, tariff rules, spreadsheets, and calculators, varying
> per region.
> 

Baseline is very little. A couple days of A/C use can push even the most 
frugal households above it. That baseline rule together with 
hyper-inflationary propane is like a stranglehold. It stifles business 
development. When I had to find and equip a new site for our company 
that was one reason why I told the commercial real estate broker "... 
but not in El Dorado County" although I live there.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

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