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Article #1914Re: Agilent Oscilloscope - ripoff or rebadge?
From: Joerg
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:54
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:54
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Tom Bruhns wrote: > On May 2, 2:33 pm, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> "Joerg" <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message >> >> news:LWKSj.8203$iK6.2303@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com... >> >>> For EEs the reason is that while they are motivated most never had exposure >>> to real hardware. Because everything was given to them. When their radio, >>> toy, whatever broke they just got new one and chucked the broken one. >> Yes, although starting somewhere in the '80s even if they had wanted to repair >> the old one it became substantially harder as more and more discrete >> components ended up inside of hard-to-source ICs. I wonder if there are even >> any professional TV reapair shops left that troubleshoot to the component >> level rather than just the module level? (Since of course with labor costs >> being what they are relative to new modules cost, it's generally cheaper not >> to do so.) >> >> ---Joel > > My cousin was driven out of that business quite a few years ago. > Things got both more reliable and more expensive to fix if they did > break, and at the same time, the feature set introduction rate > increased, making it less attractive to keep the old stuff; now it's > replaced even if it is working, just to get new features. > > But I don't agree that the current crop of EE grads are inferior; they > are simply different. Not as large a percentage are into the same > sort of hardware that was designed 20 years ago, but then we're not > designing that sort of hardware now anyway. An FPGA in BGA running > GHz clock rates on serial ports isn't something you can plug into a > little white breadboard, but inside that part can easily be logic that > would have spilled over ten large logic boards 20 years ago. The new > grads we've hired in the last few years don't have the same skill set > as new grads of 20 years ago, but I also don't see them being afraid > to do hardware designs. > > I'd also be happy to trade some of the 50+ year old long-time drivers > I see on the road around here for some much younger ones that have > gone through driver education and licensing in Germany recently. Time > behind the wheel doesn't cure idiotic behavior. One might hope the > worst of the idiots would kill themselves off, but there always seem > to be more to take their places. > Whew, good ... I did drivers ed and license in Germany. Then again in the US. But I'm not young :-( The insurance companies saw that differently after we moved across the pond. "You guys are all related to Michael Schumacher". -> Decline to quote :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
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