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Article #2245Re: Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Transformers
From: Robert Baer
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:12
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 06:12
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Ben Bradley wrote: > > In sci.electronics.design, moby@kcbbs.gen.nz (Mike Diack) wrote: > > >I'm redesigning a device for blind navigation that I first designed a > >decade or so ago, which requires a transformer to drive an > >electrostatic transducer (sweeping 100..50KHz, around 100v P/P driven > >from a 6v P/P source). > >My first iteration used a (hand wound) Philips 10mm 3E25 toroid. I > >gave one of my original samples to a local transformer outfit and > >asked them to make me something smaller (and tidier!) > >Everything they came back with was bigger than my original. > >I have seen a polarisation tranny inside an AKG C460 microphone which > >is smaller than the size of a frozen pea. > > That transformer is part of a switching power supply that runs at > an ultrasonic frequency. The transformers in disposable cameras (that > others mentioned) are for the same thing, running a cheap SMPS at high > frequencies. > To get any response at all down to 100 Hz you need something at > least the size of a modem phoneline isolation transformer. > > >Admittedly this tranny only > >has to handle a single frequency wheras mine carries a sweep, but who > > It's not so much a single frequency vs. a sweep, but what the > lowest frequency is (and the power transferred) that determines the > minimum size of a transformer. 50/60Hz power transformers don't come > any smaller than a wall wart, and ones for significant power are much > larger and heavier. > For your application, a plate transformer that's normally used > between the 50C5 and loudspeaker of an "All American 5 [tube]" might > work, but the upper 50kHz requirent will likely be a problem. > One alternative is to make the lower limit something usable for > very small transformers (maybe 1kHz to 5kHz) - this is probably not > acceptable. > The other is to use one of the tiny switching transformers to make > a high voltage DC supply which runs a transistor amplifier with > high-voltage ouput. > > >can make trannies like that or where can the cores be sourced > >(preferably surface mount) > >cheers > >M What about modulating the input with a 1Mhz carrier that goes thru the transformer, then demodulate? A low power 1Mhz xfmr would be fairly small....
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