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Re: Supply for LV lighting application?

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From: Wes
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:05
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NOT TRUE!!!  First of all, if your house burns down, and if the insurance
company finds that YOU built and installed the fixture, yea, they'll
probably pay you.  But best of luck finding insurance on your future home.

Secondly, fixtures that are built from UL components does NOT make them UL
LIsted....  HUGE difference.  Fixtures that are UL approved are TESTED... to
make sure they meet code, and more importantly, to make sure they do not
exceed the temperature parameters for the fixture type.

Anybody can put a socket in a V8 Juice can and call it recessed lighting,
but voila the DIFFERENCE between 'that' and the 'real thing'...

Wes


"Al Hephy" <ahephy@freewweb.invalid> wrote in message
news:1048944770.846216@savina...
Where did you have in mind?
Home made fixtures not only are legal,
but most hardware stores sell kits for amateurs.
It's a hobby some places.

Al

Wes <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:Gz7ha.44$5u2.26@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> Not sure what country you're in, but you will NEVER pass a local code
> inspector in the US (if in an area that requires inspection) with home
made
> fixtures.
>
> Another issue to consider.  The greatest concern you face with 12v systems
> is voltage drop.  If you have LONG runs, this will become a significant
> problem.  DO NOT use small cable... #12 is the preferred roadway if
running
> under 75ft (IMO)...  and another issue to consider is amperage.  Remember
> that #12 cable is good for 20 amps.  I'm sure you're very aware of the
> formula to figure your max allowable... and I'd urge you to consider no
more
> than 300 watts on ANY circuit.  DO NOT pump up the transformer in order to
> put more fixtures on that circuit.
>
> In fact, most major manufacturers in the US rate all transformers at
> 300Watts or less.  And in 12V landscape lighting, UL will not permit any
> circuit above 300 Watts.
>
> Hope that helps, and feel welcome to drop me a line for more info.
>
> Wes
>
>
> "DaveC" <anon@bugus.net> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.BA977EAD001869E90E6B7920@news.covad.net...
> > I've been asked to help light a small office building hallway. The
> > fluorescent lamps are way too harsh for the office workers, and the
> tenants
> > favor the overhead QH approach.
> >
> > I've looked at the local home centers' lighting departments and see
quite
> a
> > selection of LV systems using overhead steel cable with 3 hanging
> reflector
> > bulbs (with a choice of trim, or not) tapped in at appropriate
intervals.
> >
> > Price for the above from $70-100us.
> >
> > Being encouraged by what I saw, I decided to see what I could build from
> > scratch.
> >
> > As you probably can guess, I'm running into current supply/demand
> > limitations. Each of the 2 hallways could use about 15 lamps. Lamps are
> > available in 20 and 50w versions, which at 12v, draw approximately 1.7a
> and
> > 4.2a, respectively. I now see why the cost of such a system is mostly
for
> the
> > supply.
> >
> > Looking for a ready-made 12v supply, I find this at Jameco for $70us
that
> > provides 12.5a:
> >
> > <http://www.jameco.com/cgi-
> >
>
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> 22
> > >
> >
> > This would allow me to run 7 of the 20w lamps, or only 2 of the 50w
lamps.
> >
> > I can't see buying 2 supplies to run the 15 (well, I guess we could rev
> that
> > to 14) lamps in each hall. I seem to be butting up against Ohm's Law.
> >
> > Maybe build a simple, unreg'd, analog power supply with massive
> transformer
> > and rectifiers for 30A?
> >
> > Any other ideas (or links to sites) to help me reach a solution would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Dave C
> > dave+usenet3016@mailblocks.net
> >
> >
>
>
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