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Article #2319Re: Supply for LV lighting application?
From: Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:53
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:53
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"Paul Bealing" <paul@pmb.co.nz> wrote in message news:Fz6da.6118$8b.720573@news02.tsnz.net... > Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund wrote: > > "Paul Bealing" <paul@pmb.co.nz> wrote in message > > news:TINca.5877$8b.679066@news02.tsnz.net... > > > >>DaveC wrote: > >> snip - snip > >>>I've been asked to help light a small office building hallway. The > > > > Buy lamps with greater power rating and reduce the voltage. This will give > > you way longer lifetimes if you can live with the more "warm" spectrum of > > light they emmit when driven this way. > > > > Cheers > > > > Klaus > > > > > We have operated lamps at less than 100% and with a soft-start to reduce > initial shock. Experience over the past 6 years has indicated that the > failure rate has still been higher than expected. > > If you run a QH at much less than 100% for long it develops a black > coating on the inside. QH require periodic full power operation to raise > the temperature and restore the deposited tungsten to the filament. > Correct. I just went back to my source (my father has specified hundreds of such systems in Denmark). This is what he has to say: Below 87% drive voltage the black coating will start. This is not damaging to the lamp however - just run it at 100% for an hour and the lamp is restored to the original state. It is common in the industry to run a 12V system at 11.3V (94%) and at this level the coating will never start. In fact, he says, an entirely specific transformer is used 230V/11.3V - that has been designed only for QH systems. Lifetime: Running at 94%, in his experience the QH shows a prolonged lifetime of 3-4 times. But of course the lower power means less light output. Not at 89% though (0.94x0.94), but less. Because the QH is less effective at lower temperatures. He uses flourecendt tupes whenever possible. Also, the QH is highly sensitive to mains flicker (eg exceeding 100% at short intervals). Often special "electronic transformers" (I gather some form of triac control) are used to limit the maximum power delivered to the lamp. These also comes handy when/if one lamp dies. Due to the resistance of the wires and the regulation of a normal tranformer the other lamp voltages will rise. The electronic transformer will kick in here too to limit the power to 94% at all times I guess mains flicker would be a major problem in the USA, don't know about New Zeeland/Australia. In Denmark it happens were seldomly in residental areas. Cheers Klaus
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