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Article #2387Re: LED temperature dependence
From: Ban
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:12
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:12
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Many years back(for my thesis) I made an ozone-photometer with similar characteristics, Because of the UV-light(254nm) I used a simple quartz-glass(Schott) 45� in the beam as a splitter. Around 8% are reflected to the reference diode. (I remember it was a Hamamatzu-part) I kept the 2 receivers embedded into an aluminum block, to get the same temperature. then the ratio of the 2 receivers was taken. I remember the trick with that beam-splitter worked over a large range of frequencies. The accuracy was better than anything available that time. BTW the photometer is still sold :-) -- ciao Ban electronic hardware designer http://thinkamove.com/ "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:7c584d27.0204260038.5e480482@posting.google.com... > aseychell@vet.com.au (Adam Seychell) wrote in message news:<21a524b0.0204251637.5d74991f@posting.google.com>... > > Tony Williams <tonyw@ledelec.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<4b2cc6c7e6tonyw@ledelec.demon.co.uk>... > > > In article <21a524b0.0204250322.19119138@posting.google.com>, > > > Adam Seychell <aseychell@vet.com.au> wrote: > > <snipped the good oil from Tony> > > > > The real answer to the problem is to have two > > > identical light channels, one as a reference (with a > > > known absorption), and the other being the measuring > > > channel. The output is the ratio of the two channels. > > Search on dual beam spectrometers ... I got lectures on the subject as > a chemistry undergraudate in 1962. > > > I'm glad you mentioned this Tony. I thought I was doing something > > horrible wrong, but I have now learned that stabilizing absorption > > photometers is not a trivial task. Well you seemed to eliminate your > > optics problem with a temperature stabilized housing, but there still > > remains the stability of the medium you are trying to measure. I'm > > not yet sure if this will be a problem in my case. I like your idea of a > > two channel device. I'd rather build two simple devices than a single > > complicated one. Was there a need for a stabilizing photodiode even > > though temperature remained at a constant 35�C ? > > Yes. The biggest single source of temerature variation in the system > is likely to be self-heating in the LED junction - a normal-ish > non-red LED running at 20mA is dissipating 40-50mW in the junction, > and IIRR, that corresponds to some ten or twenty degrees Kelvin of > self-heating, with a thermal time constant of a few minutes, which in > our system cuts the LED output by about 20% as it warms up. > > At one point in the development of our system, I allowed myself to be > seduced by the relative cheapness of open-loop compensation, and we > stuck a thermistor into a hole drilled in the back of a 10mm diameter > LED, not too close to the junction, and arranged for the LED drive to > rise as it got hotter. This reduced the excursion on the LED output > over warm-up to about 1%, but stretched the settling time to about an > hour - a very bad idea. > > Now we glue a bit of glass fibre onto the side of the LED package with > UV-setting optical glue, passively monitor the light output with a > second photodiode at the otehr end of the (plastic) fibre, digitise to > 16-bits (an over-kill, but the A/D converter was cheap) and get the > microprocessor to computer the ratio. Seems to work.
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