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Re: Dr Howard Johnson, this weeks guest on The Amp Hour

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From: Bill Sloman
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:39
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On Jan 10, 5:50 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:29:35 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
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> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
> >John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:28:22 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
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> >>> On Jan 10, 7:47 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Just thought some might be interested in hearing our recent guest on
> >>>> our Amp Hour radio show, Dr Howard Johnson of "Handbook of Black
> >>>> Magic" fame[...]
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> >> Yeah, his book is half nonsense. If you can tell which half is which,
> >> you don't need the book. His ideas on "return currents" and bypassing
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> >I haven't got the book handy, but I'll pick it up tomorrow or so.
> >Do you mind expounding on why his "return currents" make no sense?
> >Did he mean something different from image currents?
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> He says that a transmission-line pcb trace must always be "referenced"
> to the same "return current" plane it started with and shouldn't pass
> through vias to become referenced to a different plane, or else the
> return currents will get confused or go on strike or something. If
> that were true, 98% or the multilayer boards on Earth would quit
> working.
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> He also says that you should add bypass caps and stitching vias to
> conduct these return currents whenever a trace does via to a different
> "reference plane."
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> All silly.

Not completely silly. One of the more avoidable hold-ups in the
development of the electron beam tester at Cambridge Instruments from
1988 to 1991 was when the drafting office sent out a six layer board
for manufacture without specifying the order of the inner planes -
they "knew" that the order didn't matter, despite the fact that I'd
spelled it out, in detail, on the release note that I'd given them.

Almost all of the very high frequency connections - from GaAs logic
outputs to GaAs logic inputs - were supposed to have been routed
directly above the -2V plane (which should have been directly under
the components), and the terminating resistors were returned to that
plane (through a via at the relevant end of the resistor).

The board didn't work, and it took us a while to find out why.
Whenever I walked past the engineer working on the board I'd remind
him that he had the stuck of images of the various planes stuck
together in the wrong order, and eventually this irritated him enough
that he got out a drill and worked that he'd got them in the right
order, which explained most of why the board wasn't working.

We did get it to work eventually, but all the high-frequency
connections through the board ended up being routed through tacked-on
lumps of sub-miniature coaxial cable.

The next board had the inner planes in the right order, amongst other
changes, and worked a lot better.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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