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Article #384Re: Dr Howard Johnson, this weeks guest on The Amp Hour
From: Jeroen Belleman
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:30
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:30
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John Larkin wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:39:08 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman > <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: > >> On Jan 10, 5:50 pm, John Larkin >> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:29:35 +0100, Jeroen Belleman >>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote: >>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:28:22 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Jan 10, 7:47 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Just thought some might be interested in hearing our recent guest on >>>>>>> our Amp Hour radio show, Dr Howard Johnson of "Handbook of Black >>>>>>> Magic" fame[...] >>>>> Yeah, his book is half nonsense. If you can tell which half is which, >>>>> you don't need the book. His ideas on "return currents" and bypassing >>>>> are absurd. And the writing is dreadful. >>>> I haven't got the book handy, but I'll pick it up tomorrow or so. >>>> Do you mind expounding on why his "return currents" make no sense? >>>> Did he mean something different from image currents? >>> He says that a transmission-line pcb trace must always be "referenced" >>> to the same "return current" plane it started with and shouldn't pass >>> through vias to become referenced to a different plane, or else the >>> return currents will get confused or go on strike or something. If >>> that were true, 98% or the multilayer boards on Earth would quit >>> working. >>> >>> He also says that you should add bypass caps and stitching vias to >>> conduct these return currents whenever a trace does via to a different >>> "reference plane." >>> >>> All silly. >> Not completely silly. One of the more avoidable hold-ups in the >> development of the electron beam tester at Cambridge Instruments from >> 1988 to 1991 was when the drafting office sent out a six layer board >> for manufacture without specifying the order of the inner planes -[...] >> The next board had the inner planes in the right order, amongst other >> changes, and worked a lot better. >> >> -- >> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen > > > Of course the stackup and order matter, if not to get the DC > connections right, then to get the impedances right. But the obsession > with return currents and "reference planes" is mostly silly. > > As is the admonition to never cross slits in planes, fr'instance > running a trace above a plane that has multiple pour pours. > > John A track across a slit is an antenna. Unless there's another plane underneath covering the slit, in which case it probably doesn't matter. Jeroen Belleman
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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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