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Article #387Re: Dr Howard Johnson, this weeks guest on The Amp Hour
From: George Herold
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:36
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:36
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On Jan 10, 9:47 pm, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote: > On 01/10/2012 09:27 PM, George Herold wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 12:09 pm, Phil Hobbs > > <pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 01/10/2012 01:47 AM, David L. Jones wrote: > > >>> Just thought some might be interested in hearing our recent guest on > >>> our Amp Hour radio show, Dr Howard Johnson of "Handbook of Black > >>> Magic" fame: > >>>http://www.theamphour.com/2012/01/10/the-amp-hour-77-winsome-waveform... > > >>> Lots of history of the book, signal integrity, Gigabit Ethernet > >>> development, 90 degree PCB bends, audiophoolery, and a whole bunch of > >>> other talk over almost 1 1/12 hours. > > >>> Dave. > > >> HJ has a mixture of good stuff and complete nonsense. > > >> I hope you grilled him a bit about his less sensible stuff, like that > >> hilariously erroneous video where he attempts to use electrostatics to > >> demonstrate that ground currents want to flow under traces. Of course, > >> the impedance levels are millions of times too high for inductance to be > >> a factor in that demo, but never mind. Have a look athttp://www.sigcon.com/Pubs/news/8_08.htmforthe whole ridiculous thing. > > >> (The current path is determined by corona discharge at the sharp corners > >> of the metal squares--if you look at all closely, you'll see that the > >> discharges always want to go out the corners of the squares.) > > >> Cheers > > >> Phil Hobbs > > > That is pretty silly. > > But certainly it's a good idea to keep a nice unbroken ground plane > > under the signal(s) that you really care about. > > > George H. > > I don't disagree with you there. But I have small respect for someone > who makes his living peddling that sort of cargo-cult stuff. If he ever > corrected himself, or offered actual real-world data or simulations, I'd > pay attention. As it is, his stuff is like an old time medicine > show--the willow bark tea works, the snake oil doesn't, no apparent > effort is expended to sort them out. > > Remember the little boy in the story: "Why do you keep snapping your > fingers, Bobby?" "To keep polar bears away." "But there isn't a polar > bear within 2000 miles of here!" "Works great, doesn't it?" Grin, I've never read any of Ho Jo's books. I figured I don't know enough to separate the chaff from the grain. > > Read Morrison instead. ? Ralph Morrison on Grounding and sheilding? (the only Morrison on my shelf) Or someone else? George H. > > Cheers > > Phil Hobbs > > -- > Dr Philip C D Hobbs > Principal Consultant > ElectroOptical Innovations LLC > Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics > > 160 North State Road #203 > Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 > 845-480-2058 > > hobbs at electrooptical dot nethttp://electrooptical.net- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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From: George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com>
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