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Article #646Re: OT: Only in America
From: Bill Sloman
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:15
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:15
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On Nov 8, 4:47 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote: > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:06:58 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman > > <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote: > >On Nov 7, 2:23 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote: > >> --- > >> Your inability to grok the relationship is no more my fault than is your > >> incessant prattle about that you'd like to be working but that no one > >> will have you and you don't want to set up a consultancy because... > > >I can't find any potential customers. > > >> well, insert any excuse which will keep you from having to do, in the > >> real world, what you must if you want what you want to happen and, when > >> it doesn't, to blame someone else for your failure, poor baby. > > "I can't find any potential customers." Is a dandy excuse. And a compelling reason not to invest more time and money in what turned out to be an unrealitic idea. Some excuses do happen to be valid. > >My situation may not be ideal, but it's much too comfortable for me > >to need sympathy. > > --- > It's not sympathy, it's sarcasm, and if its "comfortable" enough for > you to not need to look for work then, in reality, you probably don't > want to work. Your attempts at sarcasm are noted, but they are on a par with your attempts at logic. The fact that I don't need to work doesn't mean that I don't want to work, but it does mean that I can reject boring work, like stacking shelves at the local supermarket. The local employment situation has perked up enough that I fianlly found a local job I could apply for earlier this week, not that I think that I've got much chance of getting it. > > >> While you pretend to cast an objective engineering eye on the device, > >> and then subjectively damn it for what you call its failings, it's > >> apparent from your posting history that you hate it and, perhaps its > >> inventor, Hanz Kamenzind (sp?) as well. > > >Hans Camenzind, in his book "Designing Analog Chips" points out a > >couple of ways in which the 555 could have been improved. The real > >problem with the part is that it combines a monostable/bistable that > >is decidedly sensitive to voltage noise with a power switch, which > >injects tolerably large and rapidly changing currents into the Vee > >connection that it shares with the monostable/bistable circuitry. > >There are application where this isn't a real problem, but many fewer > >(as a proportion of all applications) than there were in 1971. You > >don't have to hate the circuit to be aware of this, though one does > >need to know a little bit more about circuit design than you seem to > >do. > > --- > Since your unfamiliarity with the device itself from a hands-on point of > view suggests that you only learned about the problem from Kamenzind's > book, I suggest you're the one suffering from a lack of circuit design > experience since the rest of us generally solved the problem by > connecting an adequate reservoir capacitor across the chip's supply > terminals. How very clever of you. What do you do when that isn't enough? Bearing in mind that every wet-behind-the-ears junior engineer will have tried this before coming to you for help. > With the advent of CMOS 555s, however, (Maxim's ICM7555 for instance) > the problem has been eliminated. Idiot. > >> Matter of fact, you seem to hate all circuit designers. > > >Not Barrie Gilbert and Bob Widlar, and Hans Camenzind's book is > >admirably clear and easy to follow. > > Everybody else though, huh? I don't even hate Jim Thompson, though I do find him fun to pillory. > >> Even Jim, who gave us OTS RS-232 with variable edge rates and for whom > >> you've repeatedly indicated you have nothing but scorn. > > >He's no Barrie Gilbert or Bob Widlar. A journeyman rather than a > >master of his craft. This isn't scorn, merely a practical assessment. > >I'd recommend him to anybody who couldn't afford anything better. > >Those of his circuits that I worked with were not easy to use but they > >did work. > > A poor workman blames his tools. Because a good workman finds or makes good tools. > >> Seems the green-eyed monster has crawled under your skin, with your > >> permission, and now envy is eating you up. > > >If I envied anybody in that area, I'd envy Barry Gilbert and Bob > >Widlar. I've met Barrie Gilbert and quite liked him - his interest in > >Cambridge Instruments was limited to workig out whether we were > >potential customers for the RF processing chips he was developing at > >the time, which we weren't, but he was civil enough to conceal his > >dissappointment. > > >I don't seem to do jealousy. > > You don't seem to see it. Because it doesn't exist. > >> >> You're not very good at this, are you? > > >> >> It's a simple metaphor, Bill. > > >> >> The star is your dream, what drives you, what you follow, and the wagon > >> >> is what I use to carry me through my life. > > >> >The "star" may be your dream, and Disney seems to have made this a > >> >popular image for kiddy programs. Knowing that real stars are enormous > >> >masses of very hot gas a very long way away rather kills that image > >> >for educated adults. > > >> --- > >> Educated adults can, if they "get it", enjoy the multiple meanings and > >> glean wisdom from Disney's presentations. > > >Multiple meanings and wisdom in Disney's presentations? Who do you > >think you are kidding? > > Well, if you don't get it you can't see it. If it isn't there, you can't see it. > >> Your hatred of all things non-Sloman turns your light down even further. > > >"Hatred"? I dislike pretentious nonsense and satirise it when I can. > > And yet I see no self-referential satire in anything you write. You don't see much, do you. > >It's a hobby, like doing cross word puzzles. Hatred requires emotional > >involvement. > > ><snipped stuff with which I can't be bothered to get emotionally > >involved> > > Stuff you hate? Stuff that bores me and would bore any lurker. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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