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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:27:08 +0800, "Nik Rim" <querty@kbd.com> wrote:

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>"Nik Rim" <querty@kbd.com> wrote in message 
>news:FMSdnRvn7tmFQVzXnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
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>> "Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
>> news:prestwhich-89E049.22383128092009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...
>>> In article <kk62c51rq1rhdq9he33du6t99nbjp1pqga@4ax.com>,
>>> Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:21:13 -0700, Smitty Two 
>>>> <prestwhich@earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> >In article <r7l0c5l9457i2ug2u6143cp6pllirtrauu@4ax.com>,
>>>> > Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> >As far as temperature, I agree with you. I've never found a need to
>>>> >> >solder anything at less than 800F. Smaller parts just require 
>>>> >> >shorter
>>>> >> >dwell time.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   This one is off the mark.  Perhaps you meant "at MORE than 800�F"
>>>> >> That would certainly be an upper max for me, and it is quite easy to
>>>> >> solder at much lower temperatures.  Well over a 100 degree 
>>>> >> differential,
>>>> >> and that is significant.
>>>> >
>>>> >Pardon my ambiguity. What I meant to say was "anything other than 
>>>> >800F."
>>>> >That's the upper limit on most fixed-temperature tips, or adjustable
>>>> >irons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Yes, and despite most folks cranking the damned things up that high,
>>>> basic soldering operations (pre-RoHS) were NEVER meant to be performed 
>>>> at
>>>> that high a temperature.  Even on big 0.092" stock with lots of Copper.
>>>> In that case, one should pre-heat the whole assembly a couple hundred 
>>>> �F,
>>>> which will insure that all the solder joints wet well and flow through
>>>> properly.
>>>
>>> Uh-huh. I've personally hand soldered hundreds of thousands of joints at
>>> 800F, and overseen the soldering of millions. Turning down the flame has
>>> only one result: It takes too damn long to build the board. It's sort of
>>> like the clock speed on a computer. It doesn't matter much if something
>>> takes 1 second instead of 1/10 second, but it makes a big difference if
>>> it takes an hour instead of 6 minutes. When I was a kid I built some
>>> Heathkit stuff and spent 30 seconds making every solder connection,
>>> because the iron was underpowered and I didn't know enough to know it.
>>> Machine soldering is different, of course, but for hand work, 800 is
>>> perfect for everything and anything.
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>Typo - should have said 800F tips......
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>> I concur - 700F tips are great - no problems in the last 15 years. The 
>> only time I go for a 700F is  terminating some cables where the insulation 
>> is super sensitive to the heat and shrinks back or melts through.
>> 
>
  You are both idiots that would never sit very long at one of my
benches.

  Not to mention that neither of you would make it more than a day in a
NASA cert course either.  Not with a stupid mind set like that.