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Re: Rigol caught with their pants down! (DS1052E Oscilloscope)

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From: krw
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:57
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT), "langwadt@fonz.dk"
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>On 22 Jul., 01:14, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "langw...@fonz.dk"
>>
>>
>>
>> <langw...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>> >On 20 Jul., 03:11, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:52:09 +1000, "David L. Jones"
>>
>> >> <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com wrote:
>>
>> >> <snip>
>>
>> >> >> You corrected the number of PLLs in the FPGA, how do they get the
>> >> >> clocks' phases aligned?
>>
>> >> >Beats me.
>> >> >Could be as simple as fixed tuned gate delay inside the FPGA, or could be
>> >> >some more complex system that auto-calibrates perhaps.
>>
>> >> Tuning gate delays in an FPGA doesn't work. �Routing is over half the
>> >> delay and there is no way to fix that part. �Every time you "wire" the
>> >> part it'll have a different routing and your delays will be off.
>> >> Indeed, the idea is to make sure you don't rely on placement or
>> >> routing.
>>
>> >> <snip>
>>
>> >I think you can place and wire parts of it by hand to get around some
>> >of it, but it would
>> >still change with temperature, voltage, etc.
>>
>> You might do it once. �You'll never maintain the mess.
>>
>> >Some Xilinx fpgas have programmable delays in the IOs, 64taps each at
>> >1/64th of a ~200MHz (afair)
>> >reference clock. �a closed loop keeps the delay constant with temp
>> >etc.
>>
>> Yes, there is an I/O delay, but it's certainly not that large. �There
>> is also delay in the DLLs on that order, but there are a lot of
>> restrictions on those (clocks only).
>
>had to check, virtex5 has a programmable IOdelay, 64 taps of each
>~78ps with the nominal 200MHz reference

Is it fully programmable?  I surely don't remember that, though I
didn't use a Virtex-5.
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