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Article #830Re: Rigol caught with their pants down! (DS1052E Oscilloscope)
From: krw
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:57
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:57
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT), "langwadt@fonz.dk" <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote: >On 22 Jul., 01:14, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "langw...@fonz.dk" >> >> >> >> <langw...@fonz.dk> wrote: >> >On 20 Jul., 03:11, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:52:09 +1000, "David L. Jones" >> >> >> <altz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com wrote: >> >> >> <snip> >> >> >> >> You corrected the number of PLLs in the FPGA, how do they get the >> >> >> clocks' phases aligned? >> >> >> >Beats me. >> >> >Could be as simple as fixed tuned gate delay inside the FPGA, or could be >> >> >some more complex system that auto-calibrates perhaps. >> >> >> Tuning gate delays in an FPGA doesn't work. �Routing is over half the >> >> delay and there is no way to fix that part. �Every time you "wire" the >> >> part it'll have a different routing and your delays will be off. >> >> Indeed, the idea is to make sure you don't rely on placement or >> >> routing. >> >> >> <snip> >> >> >I think you can place and wire parts of it by hand to get around some >> >of it, but it would >> >still change with temperature, voltage, etc. >> >> You might do it once. �You'll never maintain the mess. >> >> >Some Xilinx fpgas have programmable delays in the IOs, 64taps each at >> >1/64th of a ~200MHz (afair) >> >reference clock. �a closed loop keeps the delay constant with temp >> >etc. >> >> Yes, there is an I/O delay, but it's certainly not that large. �There >> is also delay in the DLLs on that order, but there are a lot of >> restrictions on those (clocks only). > >had to check, virtex5 has a programmable IOdelay, 64 taps of each >~78ps with the nominal 200MHz reference Is it fully programmable? I surely don't remember that, though I didn't use a Virtex-5.
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