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Don McKenzie wrote:
> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
> 
> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
> 
> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
> tested to make sure it conforms to all the regulations that apply to
> electronic devices around the world. This means that we can be sure the
> Raspberry Pi we deliver to you meets the correct standards and is as
> safe as you would expect any electronic device you purchase to be.
> 
> We�re working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation to manage the testing
> process as quickly as possible, while ensuring all tests are carried out
> to guarantee safety.  More information is being posted on the Raspberry
> Pi website , as well as on our own FAQ pages rswww.com or DesignSpark.
> We�re also regularly tweeting updates on progress.  Follow
> @RSElectronics on twitter to catch the latest news.
> 
> Alongside this, we�ve also been contacting the first group of people who
> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
> initial batch of boards.  In next week�s update, we�ll provide more
> information on how we�re managing the queue and the order process.
> 
> RS Components
> 
> ======================
> 

Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
EMC tested?

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Don McKenzie wrote:
>> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
>> 
>> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
>> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
>> 
>> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
>> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
>> Alongside this, we�ve also been contacting the first group of people who
>> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
>> initial batch of boards.  In next week�s update, we�ll provide more
>> information on how we�re managing the queue and the order process.
>> 
>> RS Components
>> 
>> ======================
>> 
>
>Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
>EMC tested?

This obviously means the first batch has not been produced at all. At
least I'd expect people to report experiences with the RP if they
shipped a batch.
-- 
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indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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Nico Coesel wrote:
> Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Don McKenzie wrote:
>>> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
>>>
>>> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
>>> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
>>>
>>> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
>>> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
>>> Alongside this, we’ve also been contacting the first group of people who
>>> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
>>> initial batch of boards.  In next week’s update, we’ll provide more
>>> information on how we’re managing the queue and the order process.
>>>
>>> RS Components
>>>
>>> ======================
>>>
>> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
>> EMC tested?
> 
> This obviously means the first batch has not been produced at all. At
> least I'd expect people to report experiences with the RP if they
> shipped a batch.


So it was being sold without inventory on the shelves? Hmm ...

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Nico Coesel wrote:
> 
> This obviously means the first batch has not been produced at all. At
> least I'd expect people to report experiences with the RP if they
> shipped a batch.

I think the first batch was produced, because I don't think they faked
their blog update about the wrong ethernet connector. But I wonder if
they have to dump the first batch, if the test fails. Maybe they can
sell it with a sticker "for use in EMC shielded cages, only" :-)

-- 
Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
electronics and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/frankbuss

"Frank Buss" <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote in message 
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> Nico Coesel wrote:
>>
>> This obviously means the first batch has not been produced at all. At
>> least I'd expect people to report experiences with the RP if they
>> shipped a batch.
>
> I think the first batch was produced, because I don't think they faked
> their blog update about the wrong ethernet connector. But I wonder if
> they have to dump the first batch, if the test fails. Maybe they can
> sell it with a sticker "for use in EMC shielded cages, only" :-)
>
> -- 
> Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
> electronics and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/frankbuss

They'll probably turn up on Ebay :) 

In comp.arch.embedded Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
> EMC tested?

From <http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/840#comment-16997>:

"I'm going to have to put a statement out about this later: in short, once a 
certain number of orders were in, RS decided they didn't want to sell the 
boards as dev boards (which was what we'd planned for the first, uncased units 
- dev boards don't require CE marking - see Arduino, Beagleboard etc.) because 
the sales volumes were so big they were worried someone with a similar or 
competing product might try to cause some legal trouble over the definition of 
development board. We're still trying to work out if we can get some out 
earlier without CE marks to developers. We're rushing through compliance as 
fast as is humanly possible at the moment."

-a

On 24-Mar-12 8:24 AM, Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid wrote:
> In comp.arch.embedded Joerg<invalid@invalid.invalid>  wrote:
>
>> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
>> EMC tested?
>
> From<http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/840#comment-16997>:
>
> "I'm going to have to put a statement out about this later: in short, once a
> certain number of orders were in, RS decided they didn't want to sell the
> boards as dev boards (which was what we'd planned for the first, uncased units
> - dev boards don't require CE marking - see Arduino, Beagleboard etc.) because
> the sales volumes were so big they were worried someone with a similar or
> competing product might try to cause some legal trouble over the definition of
> development board. We're still trying to work out if we can get some out
> earlier without CE marks to developers. We're rushing through compliance as
> fast as is humanly possible at the moment."
>
> -a

More reading:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/new-rs-email-compliance

Cheers Don...

======================


-- 
Don McKenzie

Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $30 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid wrote:
> In comp.arch.embedded Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
>> EMC tested?
> 
> From <http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/840#comment-16997>:

And this is the discussion in the forum:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/new-rs-email-compliance

Looks like the customers are not amused. The foundation should have
tested it before. Is it allowed to sell it as a dev board? I don't think
the comments in the article are right, that it is not allowed to sell it
as a dev board, if they sell too many of it. There must be other
reasons, maybe the intended use of it.

This will cause a major delay, if they have to do all the things like
EMC, WEEE, CE etc. and then for all countries where they plan to ship
it. Maybe we'll get the first devices sometime in summer.

-- 
Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
electronics and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/frankbuss

On Mar 23, 9:54 pm, Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:

> This will cause a major delay, if they have to do all the things like
> EMC, WEEE, CE etc. and then for all countries where they plan to ship
> it. Maybe we'll get the first devices sometime in summer.
>
I got my order in on day one and Farnell are quoting delivery in
"early May".  This is presumably one from the first batch.

I too am very surprised that they haven't sorted out regulatory
testing. Even if the first batch of boards really is intended only for
"developers", it would be unfortunate if interface specifications such
as placement of ground pins needed to change to sort out radiated
emissions or ESD problems.

Lets hope it works out OK.

John

Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

> Don McKenzie wrote:
>> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
>> 
>> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
>> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
>> 
>> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
>> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
>> tested to make sure it conforms to all the regulations that apply to
>> electronic devices around the world. This means that we can be sure the
>> Raspberry Pi we deliver to you meets the correct standards and is as
>> safe as you would expect any electronic device you purchase to be.
>> 
>> We’re working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation to manage the testing
>> process as quickly as possible, while ensuring all tests are carried out
>> to guarantee safety.  More information is being posted on the Raspberry
>> Pi website , as well as on our own FAQ pages rswww.com or DesignSpark.
>> We’re also regularly tweeting updates on progress.  Follow
>> @RSElectronics on twitter to catch the latest news.
>> 
>> Alongside this, we’ve also been contacting the first group of people who
>> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
>> initial batch of boards.  In next week’s update, we’ll provide more
>> information on how we’re managing the queue and the order process.
>> 
>> RS Components
>> 
>> ======================
>> 
>
> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
> EMC tested?

I thought development boards are exempt anyway? I find it hard to
believe that all the hundreds of well regarded dev boards from Olimex et
al have been formally EMC tested. How could they be, most have headers
for direct access to the microcontroller pins.

The Pi will very likely fail any such test IMO.


-- 

John Devereux

On 24-Mar-12 9:35 PM, Chris Baird wrote:
> Don McKenzie wrote:
>> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
>> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry
>> Pi.
>
> Gee, gee, gee... Is Dontronics is spreading FUD about the Raspberry Pi
> again?

Chris, if you look at the message I wrote, you will find I only quoted 
an email sent to me from RS, and did not comment at all. The subject 
line explains this, that is if you take the time to read it.

In fact I made sure I didn't comment, so people like you couldn't twist 
what I said, but you managed, didn't you.

You again have again concocted the message to suit your own agenda.

What is your agenda, and what is your beef?

If you don't like my messages, why do you join in the threads?

This was simply a copy of an email that RS sent to me because I 
expressed an interest in the Raspberry Pi.

What crime have I committed?

Cheers Don...

=====================


-- 
Don McKenzie

Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $30 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

On Mar 24, 3:37 am, John Devereux <j...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
> Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> > Don McKenzie wrote:
> >> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
>
> >> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
> >> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
>
> >> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
> >> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
> >> tested to make sure it conforms to all the regulations that apply to
> >> electronic devices around the world. This means that we can be sure the
> >> Raspberry Pi we deliver to you meets the correct standards and is as
> >> safe as you would expect any electronic device you purchase to be.
>
> >> We’re working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation to manage the testing
> >> process as quickly as possible, while ensuring all tests are carried out
> >> to guarantee safety.  More information is being posted on the Raspberry
> >> Pi website , as well as on our own FAQ pages rswww.comor DesignSpark.
> >> We’re also regularly tweeting updates on progress.  Follow
> >> @RSElectronics on twitter to catch the latest news.
>
> >> Alongside this, we’ve also been contacting the first group of people who
> >> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
> >> initial batch of boards.  In next week’s update, we’ll provide more
> >> information on how we’re managing the queue and the order process.
>
> >> RS Components
>
> >> ======================
>
> > Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
> > EMC tested?
>
> I thought development boards are exempt anyway? I find it hard to
> believe that all the hundreds of well regarded dev boards from Olimex et
> al have been formally EMC tested. How could they be, most have headers
> for direct access to the microcontroller pins.
>
> The Pi will very likely fail any such test IMO.
>
> --
>
> John Devereux

Yes, dev boards are exempt, the issue is whether rPi foundation can
support the claim that this *is* a dev board given the number of
boards sold and the type of users who are buying them.  From the quote
above it sounds like someone's lawyers got into the loop and added the
FUD.  So of course the bean counters then said, "Let's get the testing
done" since it can be pretty expensive if it turns out they get
whacked with fines, etc.

It's the right decision.

Rick

rickman wrote:
> On Mar 24, 3:37 am, John Devereux <j...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>> Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> Don McKenzie wrote:
>>>> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
>>>> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
>>>> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
>>>> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
>>>> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
>>>> tested to make sure it conforms to all the regulations that apply to
>>>> electronic devices around the world. This means that we can be sure the
>>>> Raspberry Pi we deliver to you meets the correct standards and is as
>>>> safe as you would expect any electronic device you purchase to be.
>>>> We�re working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation to manage the testing
>>>> process as quickly as possible, while ensuring all tests are carried out
>>>> to guarantee safety.  More information is being posted on the Raspberry
>>>> Pi website , as well as on our own FAQ pages rswww.comor DesignSpark.
>>>> We�re also regularly tweeting updates on progress.  Follow
>>>> @RSElectronics on twitter to catch the latest news.
>>>> Alongside this, we�ve also been contacting the first group of people who
>>>> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
>>>> initial batch of boards.  In next week�s update, we�ll provide more
>>>> information on how we�re managing the queue and the order process.
>>>> RS Components
>>>> ======================
>>> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
>>> EMC tested?
>> I thought development boards are exempt anyway? I find it hard to
>> believe that all the hundreds of well regarded dev boards from Olimex et
>> al have been formally EMC tested. How could they be, most have headers
>> for direct access to the microcontroller pins.
>>
>> The Pi will very likely fail any such test IMO.
>>
>> --
>>
>> John Devereux
> 
> Yes, dev boards are exempt, the issue is whether rPi foundation can
> support the claim that this *is* a dev board given the number of
> boards sold and the type of users who are buying them. 


It is most definitely not a development board and they explicitly say so
in the FAQ:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs

Quote "What�s a Raspberry Pi? ... The Raspberry Pi is a credit-card
sized computer that plugs into your TV and a keyboard. It�s a capable
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
little PC which can be used for many of the things that your desktop PC
does, like spreadsheets, word-processing and games. It also plays
high-definition video".

Then, quote "We want to see it being used by kids all over the world to
learn programming".

By kids all over the world, to learn programming. That makes it rather
clear that is is marketed as a computer and not a dev kit.


>                                                  ... From the quote
> above it sounds like someone's lawyers got into the loop and added the
> FUD. 


It's not FUD, the lawyer was IMHO right.


> ...  So of course the bean counters then said, "Let's get the testing
> done" since it can be pretty expensive if it turns out they get
> whacked with fines, etc.
> 
> It's the right decision.
> 

Absolutamente. Someone has screwed up when they prematurely announced
this device. They should not have started sales before having all ducks
in the row and they clearly didn't have them in a row. At least they
fessed up and are doing the right thing now.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:46:06 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>rickman wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 3:37 am, John Devereux <j...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>> Don McKenzie wrote:
>>>>> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
>>>>> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
>>>>> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
>>>>> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
>>>>> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
>>>>> tested to make sure it conforms to all the regulations that apply to
>>>>> electronic devices around the world. This means that we can be sure the
>>>>> Raspberry Pi we deliver to you meets the correct standards and is as
>>>>> safe as you would expect any electronic device you purchase to be.
>>>>> We’re working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation to manage the testing
>>>>> process as quickly as possible, while ensuring all tests are carried out
>>>>> to guarantee safety.  More information is being posted on the Raspberry
>>>>> Pi website , as well as on our own FAQ pages rswww.comor DesignSpark.
>>>>> We’re also regularly tweeting updates on progress.  Follow
>>>>> @RSElectronics on twitter to catch the latest news.
>>>>> Alongside this, we’ve also been contacting the first group of people who
>>>>> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
>>>>> initial batch of boards.  In next week’s update, we’ll provide more
>>>>> information on how we’re managing the queue and the order process.
>>>>> RS Components
>>>>> ======================
>>>> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
>>>> EMC tested?
>>> I thought development boards are exempt anyway? I find it hard to
>>> believe that all the hundreds of well regarded dev boards from Olimex et
>>> al have been formally EMC tested. How could they be, most have headers
>>> for direct access to the microcontroller pins.
>>>
>>> The Pi will very likely fail any such test IMO.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> John Devereux
>> 
>> Yes, dev boards are exempt, the issue is whether rPi foundation can
>> support the claim that this *is* a dev board given the number of
>> boards sold and the type of users who are buying them. 
>
>
>It is most definitely not a development board and they explicitly say so
>in the FAQ:
>
>http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
>
>Quote "What’s a Raspberry Pi? ... The Raspberry Pi is a credit-card
>sized computer that plugs into your TV and a keyboard. It’s a capable
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>little PC which can be used for many of the things that your desktop PC
>does, like spreadsheets, word-processing and games. It also plays
>high-definition video".
>
>Then, quote "We want to see it being used by kids all over the world to
>learn programming".

So it could be positioned as a software development kit.  And as a credit
card sized target for embedded SW development.

Yeah, that is a bit "soft".
>
>By kids all over the world, to learn programming. That makes it rather
>clear that is is marketed as a computer and not a dev kit.
>
>
>>                                                  ... From the quote
>> above it sounds like someone's lawyers got into the loop and added the
>> FUD. 
>
>
>It's not FUD, the lawyer was IMHO right.
>
>
>> ...  So of course the bean counters then said, "Let's get the testing
>> done" since it can be pretty expensive if it turns out they get
>> whacked with fines, etc.
>> 
>> It's the right decision.
>> 
>
>Absolutamente. Someone has screwed up when they prematurely announced
>this device. They should not have started sales before having all ducks
>in the row and they clearly didn't have them in a row. At least they
>fessed up and are doing the right thing now.

josephkk wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:46:06 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> rickman wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 3:37 am, John Devereux <j...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>> Don McKenzie wrote:
>>>>>> Welcome to the latest Raspberry Pi update from RS Components!
>>>>>> Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last
>>>>>> update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
>>>>>> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of
>>>>>> bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being
>>>>>> tested to make sure it conforms to all the regulations that apply to
>>>>>> electronic devices around the world. This means that we can be sure the
>>>>>> Raspberry Pi we deliver to you meets the correct standards and is as
>>>>>> safe as you would expect any electronic device you purchase to be.
>>>>>> We’re working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation to manage the testing
>>>>>> process as quickly as possible, while ensuring all tests are carried out
>>>>>> to guarantee safety.  More information is being posted on the Raspberry
>>>>>> Pi website , as well as on our own FAQ pages rswww.comor DesignSpark.
>>>>>> We’re also regularly tweeting updates on progress.  Follow
>>>>>> @RSElectronics on twitter to catch the latest news.
>>>>>> Alongside this, we’ve also been contacting the first group of people who
>>>>>> registered for a Raspberry Pi from RS, to help us plan delivery of the
>>>>>> initial batch of boards.  In next week’s update, we’ll provide more
>>>>>> information on how we’re managing the queue and the order process.
>>>>>> RS Components
>>>>>> ======================
>>>>> Just curious: Does this mean the first round was shipped without being
>>>>> EMC tested?
>>>> I thought development boards are exempt anyway? I find it hard to
>>>> believe that all the hundreds of well regarded dev boards from Olimex et
>>>> al have been formally EMC tested. How could they be, most have headers
>>>> for direct access to the microcontroller pins.
>>>>
>>>> The Pi will very likely fail any such test IMO.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> John Devereux
>>> Yes, dev boards are exempt, the issue is whether rPi foundation can
>>> support the claim that this *is* a dev board given the number of
>>> boards sold and the type of users who are buying them. 
>>
>> It is most definitely not a development board and they explicitly say so
>> in the FAQ:
>>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
>>
>> Quote "What’s a Raspberry Pi? ... The Raspberry Pi is a credit-card
>> sized computer that plugs into your TV and a keyboard. It’s a capable
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> little PC which can be used for many of the things that your desktop PC
>> does, like spreadsheets, word-processing and games. It also plays
>> high-definition video".
>>
>> Then, quote "We want to see it being used by kids all over the world to
>> learn programming".
> 
> So it could be positioned as a software development kit.  And as a credit
> card sized target for embedded SW development.
> 
> Yeah, that is a bit "soft".


Yup, and I guess their laywers just had their comeuppance that that
won't fly in case it goes wrong somewhere :-)

[...]

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/