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On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:39:15 +1100) it happened Don McKenzie
<5V@2.5A> wrote in <9rscmiF6v6U1@mid.individual.net>:

>World's Raspberry Pi supply jammed in factory blunder
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/raspberry_pi_delayed_networking/
>
>Raspberry Pi shipping is delayed
>http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2158162/raspberry-pi-shipping-delayed
>
>Raspberry Pi delayed by "manufacturing hiccup"
>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/education/373432/raspberry-pi-delayed-by-manufacturing-hiccup
>
>Cheers Don...

Seems all very amateur to me.
There is an old Dutch saying:
 "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."

It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
the ones I use are.
What if the new connectors are more expensive?
LOL



>============================
>
>-- 
>Don McKenzie
>
>Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/
>
>DuinoMite the PIC32 $35 Basic Computer-MicroController
>http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
>Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
>Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.
>

>
> Seems all very amateur to me.
> There is an old Dutch saying:
> "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
> It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
> the ones I use are.
> What if the new connectors are more expensive?
> LOL
>

Tough shit then.... perhaps the manufacturer was tring to save a few pennies 
to go in their pockets by substituting a cheaper connector. Someone's head 
will roll :) 

On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Seems all very amateur to me.
> There is an old Dutch saying:
>  "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."

Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
the French (ONE DAY!)?  Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?
Do the Dutch even know how to shoot?  I didn't think so.

> It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
> the ones I use are.
> What if the new connectors are more expensive?

Not a new practice.  I think the term is "vaporware".  Yell from
rooftops, get venture capital, pad pockets, blame vendors, yada
yada.....  Everyone does it, including Apple and others.  Wait six
mos, buy the debugged version fer cheap if still alive, or look to the
next pretender.

nb

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notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:

>On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>>  "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
>Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
>the French (ONE DAY!)?  

Its a small country. There is not much to defend. If you want you can
get from the German border to the sea in less than 2 days with a
bicycle. It actually took the nazis longer to conquer NL than they
expected.

>Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?

Does this count:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS

NL is in fact a very big high-tech weapons manufacturer. Lots of
development of radar systems.

-- 
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

delay comments:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-production-delayed-by-factorys-assembly-flub?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2FslashdotIt+%28Slashdot%3A+IT%29#comments

http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805

and some snippets:
====================================
[Chorus]
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
------------------------------------
Bye Bye, my Raspberry Pi,
I thought that I might buy you,
but the warehouse was dry,
those good old boys say just wait one more month,
but you keep running into delays,
yeah, you keep running into delays.
====================================
yesterday I read a this one on Beagle Bone board:

Customer: How much is a BeagleBone?
Seller: 89 dollars.
C: 89 dollars!  But a Raspberry Pi is only $35!
S: So why don't you buy a Raspberry Pi, then?
C: They're out of stock.
S: Well, if BeagleBones were out of stock, they'd be only $30!
====================================

Cheers Don...

====================================

-- 
Don McKenzie

Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/

DuinoMite the PIC32 $35 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

On 8 Mar., 21:01, "TTman" <pcw1....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Seems all very amateur to me.
> > There is an old Dutch saying:
> > "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
> > It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
> > just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
> > On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
> > is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
> > the ones I use are.
> > What if the new connectors are more expensive?
> > LOL
>
> Tough shit then.... perhaps the manufacturer was tring to save a few pennies
> to go in their pockets by substituting a cheaper connector. Someone's head
> will roll :)

Well, its not the end of the world, they are re-modding the boards and
will be shipping soon (can't wait to get one for myself)

Seems there is some who likes picking on the Raspberry team and their
idea/product (not this thread, but in general). IMHO it outperforms
the competition, like the Arduino boards. As for the complexity of
getting started, just wait and see, since it sells nicely, the
community support will be good.

The low price and the combination of ethernet and USB connectivity
will allow for an easy way to put together custom systems. Need an
internet connection for example, just add a USB wireless stick.
Drivers exist on the Linux Package and visual app tools for Linux are
free.

Regards

Klaus

On 8 Mar., 22:02, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
> delay comments:http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-prod...
>
> http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805
>
> and some snippets:
> ====================================
> [Chorus]
> Bye, bye Miss American Pie
> Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
> Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
> Singin' this'll be the day that I die
> This'll be the day that I die
> ------------------------------------
> Bye Bye, my Raspberry Pi,
> I thought that I might buy you,
> but the warehouse was dry,
> those good old boys say just wait one more month,
> but you keep running into delays,
> yeah, you keep running into delays.
> ====================================
> yesterday I read a this one on Beagle Bone board:
>
> Customer: How much is a BeagleBone?
> Seller: 89 dollars.
> C: 89 dollars!  But a Raspberry Pi is only $35!
> S: So why don't you buy a Raspberry Pi, then?
> C: They're out of stock.
> S: Well, if BeagleBones were out of stock, they'd be only $30!
> ====================================
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> ====================================
>
> --
> Don McKenzie
>
> Dontronics:http://www.dontronics-shop.com/
>
> DuinoMite the PIC32 $35 Basic Computer-MicroControllerhttp://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
> Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
> Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

Perhaps you opposition to Raspberry Pi is due to your company and you
will loose money if it succeeds. Envy is a bad feeling....

!bob hugs microphone and utters:

>On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>>  "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
>Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
>the French (ONE DAY!)?
Netherlands is very small, 100km by 200km, and the army was non-existent by practical means.
Pretty much 'saved' away.

> Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?
>Do the Dutch even know how to shoot?  I didn't think so.

The Dutch were hunting bears up to the northpole in the last century,
controlled much of the world trade, defeated the Spanish in the 80 year war,
We just let you amriconions play boss a bit, then we will rule again,
probably with Chinese help.
It has come to my attention that the Chinese want to make the USA a 
Chinese province, and Chinese will be the language taught in your schools.
All fire arms you have will be confiscated and you will have to bow 
for a picture of chairman ... every morning.
This is the plan your grass-hut foreign presidente has worked out
and made a deal with China to get the next loan, so obanana still has a salary.
Actually I was a sharp shoot[1].
I am still pretty good, but at my age my hands are not so steady.
Bears are a big target, should be no problem.
:-)
There is an other Dutch expression:
 'Bokken schieten'
That is what that strawberry pie is about if you ask me :-)

[1] I shot GWBush, that man in the white house was a stand-in,
clearly he knew nothing of anything.



>> It is not that I did never came across a similar problem,
>> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
>> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
>> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
>> the ones I use are.
>> What if the new connectors are more expensive?
>
>Not a new practice.  I think the term is "vaporware".  Yell from
>rooftops, get venture capital, pad pockets, blame vendors, yada
>yada.....  Everyone does it, including Apple and others.  Wait six
>mos, buy the debugged version fer cheap if still alive, or look to the
>next pretender.
>
>nb

Yep


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On 9/03/2012 8:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>
> delay comments:
> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-production-delayed-by-factorys-assembly-flub?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2FslashdotIt+%28Slashdot%3A+IT%29#comments
>
>
> http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805
>
> and some snippets:
> ====================================
> [Chorus]
> Bye, bye Miss American Pie
> Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
> Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
> Singin' this'll be the day that I die
> This'll be the day that I die
> ------------------------------------
> Bye Bye, my Raspberry Pi,
> I thought that I might buy you,
> but the warehouse was dry,
> those good old boys say just wait one more month,
> but you keep running into delays,
> yeah, you keep running into delays.
> ====================================
> yesterday I read a this one on Beagle Bone board:
>
> Customer: How much is a BeagleBone?
> Seller: 89 dollars.
> C: 89 dollars! But a Raspberry Pi is only $35!
> S: So why don't you buy a Raspberry Pi, then?
> C: They're out of stock.
> S: Well, if BeagleBones were out of stock, they'd be only $30!
> ====================================
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> ====================================
>
What  is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your 
attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.

On 09-Mar-12 8:17 AM, keithr wrote:

>> ====================================
>>
> What is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.

I am only reporting on what others are saying Keith, so that makes me 
the messenger.

Me, I have one on order, and am looking forward to it.

Cheers Don...

==========================


-- 
Don McKenzie

Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/

DuinoMite the PIC32 $35 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

On 8 Mar., 22:17, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
> On 9/03/2012 8:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > delay comments:
> >http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-prod...
>
> >http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805
>
> > and some snippets:
> > ====================================
> > [Chorus]
> > Bye, bye Miss American Pie
> > Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
> > Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
> > Singin' this'll be the day that I die
> > This'll be the day that I die
> > ------------------------------------
> > Bye Bye, my Raspberry Pi,
> > I thought that I might buy you,
> > but the warehouse was dry,
> > those good old boys say just wait one more month,
> > but you keep running into delays,
> > yeah, you keep running into delays.
> > ====================================
> > yesterday I read a this one on Beagle Bone board:
>
> > Customer: How much is a BeagleBone?
> > Seller: 89 dollars.
> > C: 89 dollars! But a Raspberry Pi is only $35!
> > S: So why don't you buy a Raspberry Pi, then?
> > C: They're out of stock.
> > S: Well, if BeagleBones were out of stock, they'd be only $30!
> > ====================================
>
> > Cheers Don...
>
> > ====================================
>
> What  is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -
>
> - Vis tekst i anførselstegn -


Because he sells the Arduino that has less performance at a higher
price and he will loose busyness if the Raspberry Pi succeeds. Envy...

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
On 2012-03-08, Nico Coesel <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote:

> Does this count:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS

Wrong answer!  Actually, the US prototyped that weapon.  

OTOH, it was the Dutch Boers, expat Dutch, who upstaged and wreaked
havoc and nearly brought the Brits to their knees during the famous
Boer War in S. Africa.  They merely showed good sense by buying German
Mausers and outhinking the Limeys.  In the meantime, the Dutch don't
even have a good beer!!  Apparently, ya' gotta leave Dutch soil to
gain a pair.

Hey.... jes kidding.  I'm sure the Dutch are good for something
besides tulips.  ;)

nb

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"notbob" <notbob@nothome.com> wrote in message 
news:slrnjli5s8.37o.notbob@nbleet.hcc.net...
> On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>>  "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
> Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
> the French (ONE DAY!)?  Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?
> Do the Dutch even know how to shoot?  I didn't think so.
>
>> It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
>> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
>> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
>> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
>> the ones I use are.
>> What if the new connectors are more expensive?
>
> Not a new practice.  I think the term is "vaporware".  Yell from
> rooftops, get venture capital, pad pockets, blame vendors, yada
> yada.....  Everyone does it, including Apple and others.  Wait six
> mos, buy the debugged version fer cheap if still alive, or look to the
> next pretender.
>
> nb
>
> -- 
> Fight internet CENSORSHIP - Fight SOPA-PIPA
> Contact your congressman and/or representative, now!
> http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/
> vi --the heart of evil!


Are you referrring to the 39-45 war or the 41-45 war?

Like the 14-18 war vs the 16-18 war. 

On Mar 9, 7:12 am, Klaus Kragelund <klausk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 8 Mar., 22:02, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > delay comments:http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-prod...
>
> >http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805
>
> > and some snippets:
> > ====================================
> > [Chorus]
> > Bye, bye Miss American Pie
> > Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
> > Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
> > Singin' this'll be the day that I die
> > This'll be the day that I die
> > ------------------------------------
> > Bye Bye, my Raspberry Pi,
> > I thought that I might buy you,
> > but the warehouse was dry,
> > those good old boys say just wait one more month,
> > but you keep running into delays,
> > yeah, you keep running into delays.
> > ====================================
> > yesterday I read a this one on Beagle Bone board:
>
> > Customer: How much is a BeagleBone?
> > Seller: 89 dollars.
> > C: 89 dollars!  But a Raspberry Pi is only $35!
> > S: So why don't you buy a Raspberry Pi, then?
> > C: They're out of stock.
> > S: Well, if BeagleBones were out of stock, they'd be only $30!
> > ====================================
>
> > Cheers Don...
>
> > ====================================
>
> > --
> > Don McKenzie
>
> > Dontronics:http://www.dontronics-shop.com/
>
> > DuinoMite the PIC32 $35 Basic Computer-MicroControllerhttp://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
> > Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
> > Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.
>
> Perhaps you opposition to Raspberry Pi is due to your company and you
> will loose money if it succeeds. Envy is a bad feeling....

It's LOSE - not LOOSE

On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:39:15 +1100, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

>World's Raspberry Pi supply jammed in factory blunder
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/raspberry_pi_delayed_networking/
>
>Raspberry Pi shipping is delayed
>http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2158162/raspberry-pi-shipping-delayed
>
>Raspberry Pi delayed by "manufacturing hiccup"
>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/education/373432/raspberry-pi-delayed-by-manufacturing-hiccup
>
>Cheers Don...
>
>============================

What, no "Raspberry Jam"?

On 9/03/2012 8:20 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
> On 09-Mar-12 8:17 AM, keithr wrote:
>
>>> ====================================
>>>
>> What is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
>> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.
>
> I am only reporting on what others are saying Keith, so that makes me
> the messenger.
>
> Me, I have one on order, and am looking forward to it.

Glad to hear it Don, its just that your posts seem to take some delight 
in any Pi problems.

On 9/03/2012 10:12 AM, Bill Davy wrote:
> "notbob"<notbob@nothome.com>  wrote in message
> news:slrnjli5s8.37o.notbob@nbleet.hcc.net...
>> On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>>>   "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>>
>> Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
>> the French (ONE DAY!)?  Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?
>> Do the Dutch even know how to shoot?  I didn't think so.
>>
>>> It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
>>> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
>>> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
>>> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
>>> the ones I use are.
>>> What if the new connectors are more expensive?
>>
>> Not a new practice.  I think the term is "vaporware".  Yell from
>> rooftops, get venture capital, pad pockets, blame vendors, yada
>> yada.....  Everyone does it, including Apple and others.  Wait six
>> mos, buy the debugged version fer cheap if still alive, or look to the
>> next pretender.
>>
>> nb
>>
>> --
>> Fight internet CENSORSHIP - Fight SOPA-PIPA
>> Contact your congressman and/or representative, now!
>> http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/
>> vi --the heart of evil!
>
>
> Are you referrring to the 39-45 war or the 41-45 war?
>
> Like the 14-18 war vs the 16-18 war.

The 16-18 and 41-45 wars only apply to yanks, they were late for 
everything in those days, but seem to have learned their lesson, and 
these day they start wars instead of waiting around trying to decide 
whether to join in or not.

On 08/03/2012 21:21, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
> On 8 Mar., 22:17, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:
>> On 9/03/2012 8:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> delay comments:
>>> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-prod...
>>
>>> http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805
>>
>> What  is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
>> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.- Skjul tekst i anf�rselstegn -
>>
>> - Vis tekst i anf�rselstegn -
>
>
> Because he sells the Arduino that has less performance at a higher
> price and he will loose busyness if the Raspberry Pi succeeds. Envy...

The problem with the RP is that a great many people who should know 
better are allowing hope (and hype) to triumph over experience.

If the RP proposition was not so enticing would your really want to buy 
from an organization which has never made anything, been very 
'economical' with the truth, obviously has no quality control or 
procedures etc etc.

I don't want the RP to fail because the media have bought into it and if 
it fails then the whole electronic engineering profession gets egg on 
its face - not a good thing.

On the other hand, I wouldn't bet much on ever seeing a fully working RP 
- the whole saga is so reminiscent of the disasters that overtook many 
of the early personal computer projects. (Nascom, Newbury etc).

If I were betting I'd bet on the Olimex Pi-alike. A combination of 
experience and fury is hard to beat !


Michael Kellett

On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:46:01 -0800) it happened "Paul Hovnanian
P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote in
<Tv2dnSgB3Pd60sfSnZ2dnUVZ_gwAAAAA@posted.isomediainc>:

>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>>  "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
>They've got bears in The Netherlands?

Oh, yes, look up 'Artis'.
No hunting allowed all year long though...