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9 total messages Started by Dennis Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:42
Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: Dennis
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:42
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Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the 
underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?

It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.

I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance to 
this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?

Cheers
D. 
Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: Rheilly Phoull
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:53
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On 6/27/2011 2:42 PM, Dennis wrote:
> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the
> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>
> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>
> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance to
> this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>
> Cheers
> D.
>
>
The technical term is "Krud" :-)
Might be worn off the casing ??
Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: atec77
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:55
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On 27/06/2011 4:42 PM, Dennis wrote:
> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the
> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>
> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>
> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance to
> this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>
> Cheers
> D.
>
>
Oxide
  is bad

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Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: Dennis
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:12
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"atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On 27/06/2011 4:42 PM, Dennis wrote:
>> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the
>> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>>
>> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>>
>> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance 
>> to
>> this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>>
>> Cheers
>> D.
>>
>>
> Oxide
>  is bad
>
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>


It could be lead oxide - googling had found nothing but I just looked at 
lead oxides and found this:

"The so-called black lead oxide, which is a mixture of PbO and fine-powdered 
metal Pb and used in the production of lead acid batteries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_oxide


We've got a few vehicles and most of them seem to have it to some degree - 
even on a couple of batteries that are only 6 months old. 
Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: Dennis
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:15
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"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message 
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> On 6/27/2011 2:42 PM, Dennis wrote:
>> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the
>> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>>
>> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>>
>> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance 
>> to
>> this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>>
>> Cheers
>> D.
>>
>>
> The technical term is "Krud" :-)
> Might be worn off the casing ??
>

I nearly used the common trade term of "black shit", "krud" is more 
professional.

It could be from the casing but I wouldn't think so as it's to be deposited 
on the bottoms of the vent plugs as if carried there by the electrolyte 
"bubbles" during charging. 
Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: atec77
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:43
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On 27/06/2011 7:15 PM, Dennis wrote:
> "Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com>  wrote in message
> news:MqmdnVeUp46ZqpXTnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>> On 6/27/2011 2:42 PM, Dennis wrote:
>>> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the
>>> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>>>
>>> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>>>
>>> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance
>>> to
>>> this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> D.
>>>
>>>
>> The technical term is "Krud" :-)
>> Might be worn off the casing ??
>>
>
> I nearly used the common trade term of "black shit", "krud" is more
> professional.
>
> It could be from the casing but I wouldn't think so as it's to be deposited
> on the bottoms of the vent plugs as if carried there by the electrolyte
> "bubbles" during charging.
>
>
a by product of the charging , when enough "black shite" accuumuates the 
battery is buggered

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Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:58
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:53:29 +0800, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com>
wrote:

>On 6/27/2011 2:42 PM, Dennis wrote:
>> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the
>> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>>
>> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>>
>> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance to
>> this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>>
>> Cheers
>> D.
>>
>>
>The technical term is "Krud" :-)
>Might be worn off the casing ??

  No.  It is from a failed or failing cell.

 Pretty much, you are "really full of it".
Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: Rheilly Phoull
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:09
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On 6/27/2011 5:15 PM, Dennis wrote:
> "Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com>  wrote in message
> news:MqmdnVeUp46ZqpXTnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>> On 6/27/2011 2:42 PM, Dennis wrote:
>>> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the
>>> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>>>
>>> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>>>
>>> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance
>>> to
>>> this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> D.
>>>
>>>
>> The technical term is "Krud" :-)
>> Might be worn off the casing ??
>>
>
> I nearly used the common trade term of "black shit", "krud" is more
> professional.
>
> It could be from the casing but I wouldn't think so as it's to be deposited
> on the bottoms of the vent plugs as if carried there by the electrolyte
> "bubbles" during charging.
>
>
Ahhh ! THAT Krud !

Didn't come up in the original post :-)
Re: Semi [OT]: What is the black deposit on the underside of wet lead acid battery vent caps?
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Author: TTman
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:29
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"Dennis" <dennis@blibber.com> wrote in message 
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>
> Does anyone know what the black smudgy deposit is that forms on the 
> underside of wet cell lead acid automotive batteries is?
>
> It looks a little like soot and is easily wiped away.
>
> I've heard it can suggest the battery is failing. Is there any substance 
> to this or is it just an anecdotal red herring?
>
> Cheers
> D.
>
Defo lead oxide... 
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