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Article #289Re: Two phases to house - loss of neutral
From: Sylvia Else
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:24
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:24
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Phil Allison wrote: > "Stupider than Anyone Else" > >> I have to phases of power supply to my house - so three power lines, two >> phases plus neutral. >> >> I've on occasion wondered what would happen if we lost the neutral line. >> It seems to me that we'd then have the voltage between the two phases >> across two sets of appliances, one set attached to one phase, and the >> other set attached to the other phase, with the two sets in series as a >> result of their common connection to the neutral wire. Since the two sets >> are unlikely to represent equal loads, the net result would be a large >> overvoltage on one set of appliances. >> >> My electrician says it's not an issue, but I can't see why. > > > ** Loss of the neutral conductor in a 3 phase ( or 2 phase) AC supply system > can easily be a DISASTROUS event. > > For example: > > In the live entertainment productions - high powered lighting and sound > systems operate from 3 phase outlets via a hefty 5 pin plug and socket. If, > due to wear and tear or damage to the plug or socket, one of the phases > drops out - that is an annoyance but not a disaster. > > However, if the pin carrying the neutral fails to connect or as is often the > case *disconnects* during a show because of overheating - ALL HELL > BREAKS LOOSE !! > > Typically, some of the lamps will glow very brightly for a second or two and > fail, then other previously dim lamps will follow suit. The AC fuses in > amplifiers will pop instantly and some equipment will be seriously damaged > when the PSU sections are destroyed. It all happens in a few seconds, while > the operators stand there with their mouths open !!! > > The MEN system: > > In Australia, AC power delivery uses a system called " Multiple Earth > Neutral " - which requires that the neutral conductors in a premises be > connected to the plumbing system at the distribution board (ie power box). > It also requires that an earth stake be installed for the same purpose, but > some older premises may not have this. If as you say, neutral has to be tied to Earth at the premises, then I can indeed see that the situation might not be so bad. On the face of it, having significant current flowing from neutral to Earth would have to indicate a fault. It would be nice for the breakers to trip in such a situation, but I can't see that they will. Sylvia.
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