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Article #89Re: is third transformer hole an earth?
From: Whiskers
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:22
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:22
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On 2008-11-11, Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > "Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote in message > news:slrnghja8j.e5j.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net... >> On 2008-11-10, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: >>> In article <slrnghhb1o.bes.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>, >>> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: [...] > A system carrying a lot of amps to the load that's drawing it, is no more or > less dangerous than one that's only carrying a small current, except in as > much as there is a greater potential for heat failure at connection points > within that system. A high voltage system, irrespective of how many amps it > is capable of carrying above a few milliamps, is far more dangerous to a > human, than a low voltage system good for a few hundred amps. Given the > (reasonably) constant resistance of any described path through the human > body, a voltage of a hundred volts with a current availability of as little > as 50mA, may be enough to kill under the right (wrong!) circumstances. So a charge of 10kV from walking across a carpet (DC) , or a "non-lethal" 50kV "Tazer" (AC), are more dangerous than a 1kV power line? The danger from 'High Voltage' power lines comes from the vast amount of current they can deliver. > On > the other hand, a low voltage welding supply, will not have enough voltage > behind it to push enough current through that same path to kill you, even > though that supply is good for 200 amps or more. What voltage does a 'low voltage' welder operate at? Don't they use capacitors to raise the supply voltage to at least 40kV? Or can welding really happen at 12V? > As far as your contention that a transformer isolated supply is only safe > with double insulated equipment, that simply isn't true. The only way that > you can drive current through the body from such an isolation transformer, > is to hang yourself across both output terminals. Either terminal to ground > will present no electric shock hazard at all. > > Arfa Sounds too good to be true. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~
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