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Article #14643Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
From: Mark Wilson
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:23
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:23
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In <1992Dec21.004947.11290@cis.ohio-state.edu> rubin@grape.cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel Rubin) writes: |OK I agree that cars do not expode like seen on the big screen. A car |can expolde though. Take the above example and add a high amperage electrical |system and loads of wires to the top of the gallon of gas. Now if the |conditions are good the gas will spatter the vapor will come in to contact |with a spark from two shorting wires and you will get a nice explosion. |Fuel-Air explosions are quite nasty. Buring gas will not do that much, but |produce heat, whereas buring gas vapor mixed with oxygen in the air will |produce a powerfull explosion... |Try it. Drip a few drops of gas in a fire pit or some other similiar type of |open ended enclosure ( no more than 5 or 10 drops of gas ). Wait for it to |vaporize and then throw a match in. Whooomppp you will feel the shock wave |and it most likely with scare the sh-eck out of you... |>You can also try shooting it with a rifle or whatever. I have. |>It's pretty boring. |This can cause a rather large gas vapor cloud with the first shot assuming it |is a high enough power rifle to rupture the container somewhat. If the |container is steel and the bullet is steel a second shot should knock your |socks off... |>>>Unless you wrap the flywheel in a massive enough container that it can absorb |>>>all that energy without vaporizing, you're going to have an explosion. |>> |>>Why bother, we don't wrap our gas tanks in a container that would contain |>>their explosion? |> |>Because gas tanks don't explode. Movies are not reality. |Car crashes violently, gas tank is ruptured and gas is forced out of the |rupture by the crash. Gas vapor cloud forms rapidly and comes in contact |with the shorting positive battery post agains the frame of the car. That |will cause a rather large explosion and quite a lot of fire. This would |be a rare case and the individual would most likely not survive the crash |itself... True, fuel-air explosions are nasty things. And it is possible for some of the vaporized gasoline to ignite. The question I believe would be, What percentage of the gasoline that used to be in the tank takes part in such an explosion? I would think that it would be just 1% to 2%, if that much. Also how much time does it take for the vapor cloud to form? Unless the occupants were incapacitated by the crash, they could use that time to escape. A flywheel on the other hand would most likely fail on the moment of impact. -- Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself a government. It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!psinntp!ncrlnk!ncratl!mwilson From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos.tech Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source Message-ID: <78152@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Date: 21 Dec 92 14:23:10 GMT References: <1goebdINNik@gap.caltech.edu> <BzE2oz.I4H@ns1.nodak.edu> <1992Dec17.173946.5374@adobe.com> <1992Dec21.004947.11290@cis.ohio-state.edu> Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 53