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Article #15306Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
From: Jim Frost
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:55
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:55
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mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: >In <1992Dec23.154010.13703@fcom.cc.utah.edu> bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey) writes: >|>The flywheel will try to dissipate it's energy over a span of milliseconds. >|> >|I guess I missed the part about dissipating energy over ms. What's the >|basis for this? >Because of the speeds at which it rotates, the instant the flywheel becomes >unbalanced it will shake itself apart. The first failure sets up a shock wave >that travels at the speed of sound. The shock wave has so much energy that it >literally vaporizes the material it is passing through. I thought it was assumed that the flywheel operated in vacuum? The "shock wave" will be expanding particles thrown off from the wheel itself, and the speed will depend on how fast the particle was moving when the wheel disintegrated. I suspect that'll be a whole hell of a lot faster than the speed of sound. I think you'll get a series of "shock waves" -- a heat wave caused by vaporization of the flywheel and containment vessels and supercompression of air in front of the second wavefront, containing the particulate matter of the flywheel and containment vessel. Sonic shocks will follow both of these wavefronts as the air expands due to the affects of the previous wavefronts. Anyway a lot of people have been assuming total uniform disintegration of the flywheel, which could possibly allow construction of a vessel to contain the energy release. Such disintegration is not likely to happen in real life. If the flywheel becomes imbalanced it'll start to fragment (assuming the axle can withstand the strain longer than the flywheel in the first place, which is not likely) and you'll end up getting several small chunks of the flywheel (furthering the imbalance) and one or two big ones hitting different parts of the containment vessel at very localized points. The fragmentation will release very little energy. Since most of the flywheel will still be intact you'll get nearly all of the energy dissipated against a fairly small portion of the containment vessel. That'll result in a concentrated, *directional* explosion. Along the plane of the explosion (it'll occur in an arc perpendicular to the rotational axis) you're going to see very dramatic effects, both from surviving particulate matter from the flywheel and its containment vessel and from heat and air shocks. Besides the directionality of the explosion you should note that the entire energy of the flywheel will not be dissipated against the containment vessel; the containment vessel won't last long enough to completely absorb energy from the flywheel, both because of mechanical stresses and energy release. This depends on just how strong the flywheel is, of course -- a fragile flywheel would dissipate energy better since it would fragment earlier and more completely -- but it's my assumption that the flywheel is going to be very, very strong. What'll happen is that a significant fraction of the flywheel's energy will vaporize sections of the containment vessel and sections of the flywheel will survive to be thrown free. Both the energy release and the surviving portions of the flywheel will be extremely dangerous, of course. This discussion is great, but as I mentioned before it's also moot unless someone's figured out a way to eliminate gyroscopic effects from the flywheel. These would be considerable, you know. jim frost jimf@centerline.com
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!noc.near.net!news.centerline.com!jimf From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:55:49 GMT Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <1hcmi5INN7fd@armory.centerline.com> References: <78564@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> <1992Dec22.214616.27043@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <78580@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> <1992Dec23.154010.13703@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <78892@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202