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Article #15379Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
From: Gary Coffman
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:44
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:44
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In article <1992Dec22.214616.27043@fcom.cc.utah.edu> bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey) writes: >In article <78564@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>In <1992Dec21.193621.12001@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes: >> >>|>If I were a terrorist, I would drool at the thought of being able to >>|>get such wonderful bombs so easily... All you'd have to do is arrange >>|>for the vacuum valve to be opened on command or the magnetic bearing >>|>to be turned off, etc. >>|> >>|>BOOM! >> >>|Modern composit materials, when used in a flywheel, will disintegrate >>|with such a failuar. This bomb would be about as wonderful as some >>|fiber-glass insulation falling out of your attic. >> >>You haven't been listening have you? >>It doesn't matter what form the flywheel takes after disintegration. >>It could even turn into a gas or sub-atomic particles. What causes the >>BOOM is all of that kinetic energy being turned into heat. >> > And gasoline isn't explosive? > I may be mistaken but any power source capable of propelling > a ton or more at speeds greater than 50 mph for hundreds of > miles must have a significant amount of energy in it. > > Brian Barkey You don't understand. The gasoline *does* contain the same amount of energy as the flywheel, that's the whole point of the exercise. But liquid gasoline can't explode. Only gasoline vapor properly mixed with oxygen, 14:1 air/fuel ratio, can explode. When it's arranged thusly it's called a FAE bomb. When the US dropped one during Desert Storm, British troops radioed their headquarters and reported that the "bloody yanks" were using nukes on the Iraqis. It's damned difficult to get the proper mixture outside an engine, that's why there's all that monkey motion with carburetors and fuel injectors. In a collision that ruptures a gasoline tank and vaporizes a tiny amount of the gasoline and ignites it, you get a fire that burns for half an hour or more as the heat of the flames vaporizes more of the liquid gasoline. The mixing with air is very inefficient and the resulting flames are very smokey because of incomplete combustion, and not terribly hot. It's still hot enough to melt steel however. Now with the flywheel failure, all the energy is released at once. The only difference between a fire and an explosion is the *rate* at which it occurs. This time the timescale is microseconds. You wind up with an explosion that is about equivalent to 200 pounds of dynamite. That's about what the typical terrorist car bomb uses. 240 Marines died when one was driven to their barracks in Lebanon. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
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Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source Message-ID: <1992Dec25.134459.7728@ke4zv.uucp> Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems References: <1992Dec19.192819.1816@adobe.com> <1992Dec21.193621.12001@microware.com> <78564@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> <1992Dec22.214616.27043@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:44:59 GMT Lines: 57