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Article #15959Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
From: Richard Stead
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 20:08
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 20:08
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In article <1993Jan2.053258.5064@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes: > In article <30DEC199200153934@pierre.mit.edu> chuck@pierre.mit.edu (Chuck Parsons) writes: > > Second mechanical strength of materials is _not_ greater than the > >strength of the chemical bonds forming the material. > > In a flywheel, there is a relationship between material strength and > stored kinetic energy, but it is hardly 1 to 1. This would be almost Correct - it is worse. Check my post on direct comparison of energy stored to bond strength in the material based on C-C bonds at graphite density. Even if the flywheel could be spun to the limit of the theoretical material strength, it could only store half the energy represented by the bond strength before the atoms flew apart. Comparing this energy density to that of gasoline proved very unfavorable. When a maximum material strength of 1 Mpsi for carbon composite was used in the calculation, a minimum rotor mass of 510 kg was obtained. > like arguing that the kinetic energy of a bullet or meteor is limited > to its material strength. No. All kinetic energy is not created equal. Storing kinetic energy in a flywheel necessarily stresses the material since it is under continuous acceleration. However, I can establish an inertial reference frame on any bullet or meteor (in a vacuum) in which that object has zero kinetic energy. There are no forces acting on the object, so it is not under stress. No inertial frame can be established on the rotor to change its stored kinetic energy due to rotation - this energy is the same in all inertial frames. Therefore it is indeed true that energy storage in a flywheel is limited by material strength. But in a collision, a meteor or bullet is only limited by relativity considerations in the energy it can contribute to the collision. -- Richard Stead Center for Seismic Studies Arlington, VA stead@seismo.css.gov
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!gatech!rpi!usc!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!news.bbn.com!seismo!skadi!stead From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos.tech Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source Message-ID: <51737@seismo.CSS.GOV> Date: 3 Jan 93 20:08:05 GMT References: <77750@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> <30DEC199200153934@pierre.mit.edu> <1993Jan2.053258.5064@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@seismo.CSS.GOV Followup-To: sci.energy Lines: 40 Nntp-Posting-Host: skadi.css.gov