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Article #22576Re: Negative ion generators
From: Steve Andrew
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:23
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:23
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GregS <szekeresREMOVE@pitt.edu> wrote in message news:alqu5t$73q$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu... > In article <f7d9a152.0209121216.799e7e53@posting.google.com>, jason_hsu@my-deja.com (Jason Hsu) wrote: > >Exactly what voltage and current levels do I need? > > > >I would like to build a negative ion generator. From what I > >understand, a negative ion generator has a very high voltage > >(thousands) and a very low current. This voltage is fed into a > >very-high-voltage diode (oriented to pass the negative voltage but > >reject the positive voltage). The resulting very high negative voltage > >is fed into a very sharp object (such as a sewing needle), which > >injects the negative ions into the air inside the chassis. A nearby > >fan disperses the negative ions into the air in the room outside the > >chassis. > > > >Exactly what voltage and current levels do I need? (I also realize > >that I must simulate this in PSPICE, because the tiny current levels > >and huge voltage levels aren't in a range that regular multimeters can > >handle.) I have heard that using too much power will produce ozone, > >which is poisonous. > > Emulate? A good potential is 6-9KV. Current is microamps, maybe > 50-500 depending on the emitters and grounds nearby. A DC source is needed. > However which way you do it, diode, diodes. Negative of the supply goes > to the emitters, needles, wire brush, etc. The positive terminal gets > referenced to AC ground. Its a good idea or necessary to add series > resistance, so a finger on needle will get less than 1 Ma. preferably less > than 500 microAmps. A fan is unecessary. It blows air anyway. A fan > can be used to force surrounding air through and land upon a slighty > conductive element or just metal. The debris just sticks to all you walls > otherwise. It will do it anyway. If the voltage is too high or a ground is > too close to the needles, an arc can try to occur which will produce > Ozone. Ozone needs carefull attention but is an otherwise > excellant odor eliminator, preferably used in an unoccupied space, > or while you are away. You like the smell of the sun through a window? > Ion generators can reduce odors slightly. > greg I've seen ion generators running directly of 240VAC mains supply using something like a Cockcroft-Walton or Villard voltage multiplier. You can get a circuit for the more commonly used Villard cascade multiplier from http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/src/mul/
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 112d1e,bf0b2e512c12af46 X-Google-Attributes: gid112d1e,public X-Google-Thread: 105d97,bf0b2e512c12af46 X-Google-Attributes: gid105d97,public X-Google-Thread: 10d137,bf0b2e512c12af46 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d137,public X-Google-Thread: 103407,bf0b2e512c12af46 X-Google-Attributes: gid103407,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-09-12 19:23:35 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Steve Andrew" <sjandrew@bigpond.net.au> Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.electronics.design,aus.electronics,alt.engineering.electrical References: <f7d9a152.0209121216.799e7e53@posting.google.com> <alqu5t$73q$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: Re: Negative ion generators Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <G_bg9.26857$_l1.74551@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:23:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.45.244.146 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1031883814 203.45.244.146 (Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:23:34 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au)