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kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>Oh, please.

>Shock, in the sense Jon means, is NOT torture.  It's simple the slightly
>undesirable sensation of current running through the skin.  Go put a nine
>volt battery on your tongue.  You probably won't like it, but it's far
>from torture.
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You're right - I wouldn't like it at all.  And it most certainly WOULD
look like torture to me if somebody strapped a collar around me that
could shock me at HIS discretion, and I have no control over it.

>If dogs were smart enough that you could tell them not to wander outside
>their yards, fine -- maybe we wouldn't need shock collars.  But they can't,
>and the only thing that a dog is going to understand when its master isn't
>standing right over it is some remote physical stimulation -- high frequency
>sound, shocks, or whatever.
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If owners were responsible enough to take proper care of their dogs, they
wouldn't resort to torture devices.  Shock collars are not a constructive
or positive way to teach a dog anything but fear.  I know many well-behaved
dogs that didn't need pain and fear to teach them.

>If you want to talk about taking this idea a little too far, perhaps we should
>discuss cattle prods.  I've been told that these things are quite painful to
>the beast of which they're applied...
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Nobody asked for help with a cattle prod, or I might have replied similarly.

>Finally, if you meant this humorously, you can disregard the above.  But
>I didn't see a smiley...
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You really think it's funny?!
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