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In sci.physics jg <jg@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 11/03/2013 8:53 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics jg <jg@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2013 7:07 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

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>>>> This shows 3 1.5 kW systems ranging from $1990 to $3990 with the caveats
>>>> starting from and to approved customers, subject to terms and conditions.
>>>>
>>>> These prices are no better than the US prices for equivelant systems.
>>>>
>>>> Where you get that US prices are 5 times higher is beyond me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.technologyreview.com/news/509196/why-solar-installations-cost-more-in-the-us-than-in-germany/
>>>
>>> I have seen other estimates of $7-9 per Watt in the US.
>>
>> You do realize that media articles aren't retail price lists?
>>
>>> If you can show me a price of about $2000 for 1.5 kW ($1.30 per watt) I
>>> would question how you rate that as millionaire's territory given a 4
>>> year payback and $400-500 pa power bill saving without any subsidy.
>>
>> Well, if I can make any sense of that jumble...
>>
>> It took me all of a couple of minutes to find local solar sellers with
>> prices comperable to those on the web site you mentioned; they were NOT
>> 5 times higher for comperable systems.
>>
> 
> Show me one
> http://www.solargaines.com/solarpowercost.html

Yeah, so what?

This is a 5 kW system you are trying to compare to a 1.5 kW system.

Also it is a bit of a challenge to find systems as small as yours here
as most systems here are much larger.

Here's a couple:

http://pvdepot.com/solar-panel-kits/1-000-watt-expandable-monocrystalline-pv-grid-tied-solar-power-kit.html

1 kW for $2845; within your range of $1990 to $3990.

1.5 kW for $3049; again within your range of $1990 to $3990.

So again, where does this solar costs 5 times more in the US than
in Australia come from?

Perhaps because most systems here are several times larger than yours?

>> I have no clue what you are alluding to with "millionaire's territory".
>>
> 
> Someone here if not you, claimed I must have money to burn.

Yeah, that was me.

>> I have done the math for my situation and the best break even period
>> I can get is better than 10 years.
>>
>>> Even savings would cover a loan for the outlay.
>>
>> This makes no sense what so ever.
>>
> 
> $400-500 pa saved on power bills goes instead to paying off the $2000 
> capital outlay. Without interest that's revenue neutral during payback, 
> with interest it adds a bit to the payback time.

OK, you got a 4 to 5 year payback by being a welfare recipient; lucky you.

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> Never heard anyone complain they weren't a good investment, except a few 
> who thought they were getting into some get rich quick scheme with loads 
> of govt handouts.

Without the big government welfare check they are NOT a good investment.

Congratulations on being able to rip off your fellow taxpayers.

> That you doubt that, makes me doubtful how objective the rest of your 
> assessment is.

My assessment is based on my annual power bill, the tiered cost of 
electricity here, the costs of a solar system, the US Department of
Energy surveys that show the actual solar irradiance that exists in my
area, and the cost of money.

Now if a big welfare system gets implemented here so I can rip off my
fellow taxpayers and it brings the ROI down to something like 4 years,
then I will go for it too.



-- 
Jim Pennino