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Article #2182Re: Another solar manufacturer gives up
From: jg
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 00:36
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 00:36
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On 10/03/2013 7:24 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics jg <jg@nospam.com> wrote: >> On 10/03/2013 6:21 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> In sci.physics Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Another solar manufacturer gives up >>>> >>>> That's why the price of PV is dropping so fast. The industry is as >>>> fiercely competitive as the oil bidness was 100 years ago when the >>>> exact same thing happened. >>> >>> The difference here is that PV panels are being dumped at a loss in >>> a desperate attempt to cover some of the losses and there are no buyers. >>> >>> >> http://www.smh.com.au/environment/solar-panel-takeup-heads-towards-the-millionth-home-20121010-27d9t.html > > BP Bows Out Of Solar > > http://www.npr.org/2013/03/07/173656739/bp-bows-out-of-solar-but-industry-outlook-still-sunny > > Notice the weasel wording about abandoning solar to avoid offending > the "green" community > > Night Falls on China's Solar Industry > > http://www.thegwpf.org/night-falls-chinas-solar-industry/ > > Chinese Solar Industry Goes Belly Up > > http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/11/25/chinese-solar-industry-goes-belly-up/ > > China Solar Makers Face Suicidal Prices on Excess Output > > http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-25/china-solar-makers-face-suicidal-prices-on-excess-output.html > > > > Has everything to do with markets and nothing to do with the fact that they work. How is a price per kWh is arrived at when normal power bills are redirected into panels until payback time, after which it's 100% saving until they wear out. At the very least it's not consistent over time. I suspect it's a loss of revenue at the power station, incentives are little more than a discount since the biggest hurdle as with all similar investments, is finding the initial outlay. I also suspect your prohibitive pricing is as much a deliberate disincentive as much of the mythology being spun around renewable energy.
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