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Article #2320GCMs-misuse!
From: rjw9y rjw9y
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1993 22:23
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1993 22:23
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i have been reviewing the scientific jounals for cliamte change articles and reviewing them for a fellowship over the last 2 years. My concerns are that GCM output is often used inappropriately. It is a real problem when one uses GCM output to estimate the "potential impact of global warming" on any system especially when a)precipitation simulations are used b) results are interpolated to a finer spatial grid scale. Most probably know why those are problems however if not feel free to respond. This observation is not what prompted me to write. Instead, I recently had the oportunity to listen to S. Schneider talk about GCMs. He said that because GCMs were parameterized after vast amounts of CO2 were emitted so they cant be expected to correctly simulate climate to the degree which would satisfy critics like myself. An article sent to Nature and Science recently demonstrating the inaccuracy of GCMs to capture the variation in global temperature (it involved Eigenvector analysis) because one or more reviewers commented that it was unfair to evaluate GCMs in that manner. I dont get it. There are a myriad of articles (especially in Dr. Schneider's jounal-Climatic change and even in Nature) were authors use temp and pcp output for 2xCO2 runs and interpolate to a smaller scale in order to relate, for example, how fish communities in lakes of the Canadian Maritime Provinces will be affected in "the future". If modellers dont want the output compared to observational data how come they dont govern the use of their model output? Moreover, how in the world do articles like these get past review? I'm disillusioned by the obvious inconsistancies displayed here. Where has scientific objectivity gone? beleive it or not it seems that Steve Schneider's mentality of not bothering to seperate beliefs and bias from scientific work (not an exact quote, i admit but not far) has become widespread. I feel the scientific literature has revealed that while GCMs have their usefulness and are "state of the art", they are woefully inadequate to predict either qualitative or quantitative climate change estimates yet. This is especially true in light of the extreme climate variations exhibited in proxy climate data which has been published over the last 5 years or so. Bob Wood e-mail rjw9y@virginia.edu----------- i am a rational person interested in rational responces not a political discussion, please.
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