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Article #2359Re: A bubble wall?
From: Nick Pine
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:00
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:00
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Andreas Haffner <andreas.haffner@matforsk.nlh.no> wrote: >Nick Pine wrote: >> David Davis <davisd@ucs.orst.edu> wrote: >> >I have to agree with George. Logic tells me you have provided numerous >> >small wet paths for energy transfer via the bubble walls. Before the >> >bubbles transfer relied on convection in the air in the space. >> >> A lot of little convection paths in series will have more thermal resistance >> than one big one... >Misunderstanding here, I think: Perhaps so... >Before you had one large convection path Right... >With the bubbles you have many small convection paths and additionally many >*conduction* paths. That may not be so bad... Water has a US R-value of about 0.25 ft^2-hr/Btu per inch, as I recall, eg for downward heat conduction. So what would we have as the simple aggregate conductive thermal resistance owing to the water films, from one side of a wall to the other, if the 4" wall space were filled with a regular matrix of 1/4" cubical bubbles with a 0.0001" (approx 12 micron, on the order of an 80 F black body IR wavelength) wall thickness, ie if the wall cross section were 2500 parts air and 1 part water in each direction? A 2500 x 2500 foot wall would have the equivalent of a 1 ft^2 thermally conductive water shunt 4" thick with a US thermal resistance of 1, so the wall would have an effective thermal conductance of 1/(2500^2 ft^2) or an R-value of 6,250,000. Not bad :-) This is more easily investigated by experiment. We need a few more serious 12 year old scientists... Nick
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10e415,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gid10e415,public X-Google-Thread: 107e5d,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gid107e5d,public X-Google-Thread: 105eab,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gid105eab,public X-Google-Thread: 1025ed,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gid1025ed,public X-Google-Thread: 10607c,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gid10607c,public X-Google-Thread: 10eede,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gid10eede,public X-Google-Thread: fb752,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gidfb752,public X-Google-Thread: 1159e3,21c1cd819898d2eb X-Google-Attributes: gid1159e3,public From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) Subject: Re: A bubble wall? Date: 1996/04/25 Message-ID: <4lois6$gsm@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> X-Deja-AN: 151418548 references: <4j45me$jmk@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> <317BCCC0.4539@ucs.orst.edu> <4lmfa7$1u9@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> <317FBBA5.5FA0@matforsk.nlh.no> organization: Villanova University newsgroups: sci.energy,alt.energy.renewable,bit.listserv.geodesic,alt.architecture.alternative,pa.environment,sci.environment,alt.home.repair,sci.engr.heat-vent-ac,alt.solar.thermal