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Article #2524Re: Electric VAN registration in California?
From: Dan Eldred
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1992 18:39
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1992 18:39
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In article <BLACK.92Jan21080323@beach.csulb.edu> black@beach.csulb.edu (Matthew Black) writes: >I've often heard that electric cars run cleaner than conventional >gasoline cars. I believe it! But what about all the polution >generated by the electric company? Electric cars don't eliminate >polution; they simply move its origin. >--matt It's much easier to control pollution from stationary power sources since they work under relatively constant conditions, as opposed to a car which may be started cold, started hot, idles, works under part or full throttle, coasts down hills, may be driven stop and go or at high speed on the freeway, etc. For a stationary source the pollution controls can be optimized for the operating conditions; there are so many operating conditions in a car that smog control cannot possibly be simultaneously optimized for all conditions. On the other hand, the stationary source will emit some smog (and I don't know how much--wish I did), and the roughly the same amount of CO2 for the same power output (though efficiency is somewhat higher for the stationary source so the C02 will actually be lower), assuming that the power is generated by burning fuel. HOWEVER, you also have to consider the overall efficiency of the electric car. First you have to generate the electricity. Next, you have to distribute the power over electrical wires. Maybe 70% efficiency. Then you have to run it through a battery charger. 50% to 80% efficiency, depending on circuitry (maybe more). Then you have to charge the batteries in the electric car. 50% efficiency, or less in cold weather. Then when you run the electric car you discharge the batteries. Another 50% or less. And there's some power electronics and the motors in the electric car which add their own efficiencies--let's say 75%. So the overall efficiency of converting the electrical power to power at the wheels will be (based on my guessed numbers): 70% X 50% X 50% X 50% X 75%, or 6.5% efficiency. Granted, these numbers are guesses, but the savings in smog are going to have to offset the additional power to be generated at the source of the electricity for a net gain. Furthermore, electric cars themselves are not necessarily pollution free. Most batteries have to vent fumes, which potentially carry some real toxic components which sould cause their own problems. For example, lead-acid batteries will release sulfur dioxide, which will cause acid rain, and som airborne lead, which is bad news. Replace every gasoline car with an electric car and you've got a pollution problem, albeit a different one. Also the handling and storage of all these batteries will also be an occupational hazard. And every time one of these cars crashes, a bunch of lead (or equivalent) and strong acid will go into the gutter and down storm drains, when the battery casings crack, if the driver hasn't been maimed first by all that acid. Also, have you ever heard of batteries exploading from the hydrogen gas? One more thing to think about with regard to electric cars is that batteries are awfully heavy, adding much weight without adding to the structure, and resulting in corresponding lower overall efficiency and also to the chance of occupant injury in an accident. All electric cars I have seen have an extremely limited range (under 100 milesa, very little power, and few amenities such as air conditioners, power this and that, etc. If you replaced the batteries and electric motors with a gasoline engine of equivalent horsepower, you would probably get well over 100 MPG and pollution would be reduced correspondingly because you would be burning so little fuel. Another thought--cost of operation. An average family size sedan requires about 30 HP to keep running on the highway. Using 1 HP = 700 watts (approx), this is about 21 kw. On the freeway at 60 MPH you would consume 21 kw-hr per 60 miles, or 0.35 kw-hr/mile. This is power at the wheels; to get the power consumed you have to divide by the combined efficiency of charging, power conditioning, and discharging, or 50% X 50% X 50% X 75%, or 9.4% efficiency, resulting in 3.9 kw-hr/mile. At an average electrical rate at the meter of $0.10/kw-hr, this comes to $0.39/mile in electric costs. On the other hand, a car getting 30 mpg would consume 0.03 gallons of gasoline per mile; at $1.00/gallon this would come to $0.03 per mile in gasoline costs. If you also take into consideration the fact that approximately half the cost of gasoline consists of local, state and federal taxes, it suddenly becomes obvious that driving a gasoline powered car is extremely inexpensive. If in addition you reduced the size and horsepower of the gasoline powered car to the same level as the electric car, to make a fair comparison, the cost of operating the gasoline car would be further reduced by a factor of 2 or 3. Wow! Electric cars may have their place, but they will not be a panacea. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | PRESERVE THE BILL OF RIGHTS. STOP CIVIL FORFEITURE UNDER RICO! | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dan Eldred | Jet Propulsion Laboratory, 198-326 | | eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov | 4800 Oak Grove Dr.,Pasadena, CA 91109 | | Phone: (818) 354-6519 | Fax: (818) 393-4440 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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