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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:15:58 -0800, Christopher wrote:

> The hydrogen lost with the Defkalion system is mainly lost to leakage. 
> In Rossi's new design the hydrogen is sealed in with the nickel, and
> only tiny amounts are use.  If these devices work as promised, there is
> no way in hell the energy could possibly come from the burning of
> hydrogen.  It must be a nuclear process.

Nickel, of course, forms a metal hydride. Hydrogen can go right through 
it. 

I didn't say that the energy came from burning hydrogen. I pointed out it 
was plugged into the wall. 
 
> ALL power plants in the United States are plugged into the power grid. 
> Does that mean that coal, natural gas, and fission nuclear power plants
> are a hoax?  I understand your skepticism, but you have not looked
> deeply enough into LENR.

I've seen how steam engines and generators work in the lab. They don't 
need to be connected to the grid. I have a car that isn't connected to 
the grid, and it starts. I have a home generator that doesn't need to be 
connected to the grid; indeed, it has to be DISCONNECTED from the grid. 

You found a product that has to be connected to the grid to work. What's 
that about? Silly design, at best, as you would lose power when the power 
is off. 

> On Jan 18, 9:01 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:43:51 -0800, Christopher wrote:
>> > On Jan 17, 1:41 am, CWatters
>> > <colin.watt...@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
>>
>> > " so that 40kW heater can draw 6.5kW of electricity. Not exactly a
>> > "small amount". It may also require a thermal store to avoid short
>> > cycling."
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > It is a small amount compared to the cost of heating with electricity
>> > alone or with home heating oil.  The actual COP will probably be
>> > better, but for warranty reasons he only promises a COP of 6.  I
>> > would rather buy a Defkalion model which are guaranteed to have a
>> > minimum COP of 25 and can go all the way up to 32.  See Defkalion
>> > spec sheet at:
>>
>> >http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/
HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf
>>
>> Any time you have an energy generating device you have to plug into the
>> wall is one hint that they're trying to bamboosel people. Do you have
>> to plug your gasoline engine car into the wall to start it? No.
>>
>> Another hint is that they're using hydrogen and not deuterium. If LENR
>> was possible with hydrogen, it would have been discovered a long time
>> ago.
>>
>> A third hint is that you have to replace the hydrogen tank every 6
>> months is another hint: a bottle of deuterium has enough energy to last
>> much longer than the mechanical parts of the device.
>>
>> It appears that what the device is doing is converting the energy in
>> the hydrogen tank into energy by using the metal hydride process.
>> Metals absorbing hydrogen emit heat. It was often mistaken for cold
>> fusion by people who didn't understand the physics.