Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !

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From: Andreas Haffner
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:00

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Stan Bischof wrote:
> 
> Andreas Haffner (ahaffner@aft.sn.no) wrote:
> 
> : Well, well... I will not argue here too strong but imagine: If there was any loss in a
> : spring it would not return to its original position after being depressed. So I guess
> 
> Huh? Why does the spring returning to it's original position imply anything
> about loss? Loss is an energy balance and has little to do with the
> physical position.
> 
> Consider throwing a ball up into the air. I think that you will agree
> that there is "loss" involved ( the ball slows down by colliding with
> and warming up air molecules ) and yet it will return to you nonetheless.
> 
> The spring warms up when you compress it. This is "loss" in that the
> mechanical energy is being converted to heat. The spring returns
> more-or-less to it's original position nonetheless.
> I agree, I missed the point! See my own follow up. What I meant is: once the energy has 
been pushed - with losses - into the storage, there exist storage systems which have no 
significant losses over time (no selv discharging). When you take the energy out again 
there are new losses.

- Andreas Haffner

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> Stan Bischof   Hewlett Packard Company   707-577-3994  stanb@sr.hp.com
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- Andreas Haffner

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From: Andreas Haffner <ahaffner@aft.sn.no>
Subject: Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !
Date: 1996/06/10
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