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Started by Lou Schneider
Sun, 09 Jun 1996 00:00
Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !
Author: Lou Schneider
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 00:00
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 00:00
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ba.broadcast Followup-To: sci.energy,alt.energy,alt.energy.renewable,alt.paranet.science,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,cl.energie.alternativen,de.alt.ufo,sci.energy.hydrogen,sci.environment,sci.materials,sci.physics,sci.physics.fusion,alt.folklore.urban ,ba.broadcast References: <69kLYINuldB@ddd.snafu.de> <4olomp$f9@pellew.ntu.edu.au> <31b497ae.340263462@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> <31B4D34B.1BBA@frontiernet.net> <DsJ9n2.4LM@moraga.ness.com> <31b731d6.8661114@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Distribution: Kevin D. Quitt (kdq@emoryi.jpl.nasa.gov) wrote: : On Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:28:11 GMT, tweek@netcom.com (Reverend Tweek) wrote: : >BossJock <bossjock@frontiernet.net> wrote: : >>But enough to drive an entire house?? : > : >Here, I do agree with you... it is insane to think that one can : >power an entire house from a radio station's signal... surely the : >station engineers would notice the drastic change in their coverage : >contour as you turned on the dishwasher. : The story I had heard involved a beamed signal and a house on a rise. Yes, : the station figured out what happened (particularly when their signal didn't : make it to LA), and couldn't force the guy to cease and desist, and ended up : going out of business. Again, this is purely a story - no documentation. : >>It's gotta be urban legend. Before houses were built in what is now Foster City, the area was home to several large chicken farms (Foster Farms?). Several large barns were located to the north of KNBR's tower, and coincidentally the station had a noticeable hole in it's non-directional pattern towards San Francisco. Someone noticed the hole lined up with the barns, and they were illuminated whenever the radio station was on the air. When the station engineers investigated, they discovered the light switches in the barn were turned off, but the lights still burned from the energy the barn's wiring was absorbing from the radio station. The wiring in the barn was approximating a tuned loop at 680 KHz. When the farmer was asked about it, he said the switch had been off for years. This story was told to me by the late Walt Palmer, who worked for KNBR at that time. It might be urban legend, but at least it's close to the source. Lou Schneider lous@crl.com
Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !
Author: Troy Wollensak
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 00:00
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 00:00
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Lou Schneider wrote: > Before houses were built in what is now Foster City, the area was home to > several large chicken farms (Foster Farms?). I don't think so. I know Mr. Foster personally, I don't think the city was named after him nor his company after the city. I may be wrong, but at least I've never heard of it. If need be, I'll call George Foster and ask. > Several large barns were > located to the north of KNBR's tower, and coincidentally the station had > a noticeable hole in it's non-directional pattern towards San Francisco. > > Someone noticed the hole lined up with the barns, and they were > illuminated whenever the radio station was on the air. When the station > engineers investigated, they discovered the light switches in the barn > were turned off, but the lights still burned from the energy the barn's > wiring was absorbing from the radio station. The wiring in the barn was > approximating a tuned loop at 680 KHz. When the farmer was asked about > it, he said the switch had been off for years. In that case, when I parked my van less than 50 feet from KPLA's transmitter near Valley Home, as I did for five years, the 12 volt lights should have burned and my battery should have charged itself up. Didn't happen. KPLA had an effective radiated power of 250,000 watts using a 50,000 watt transmitter. Ask Geoff Metcalf, he worked there too. > This story was told to me by the late Walt Palmer, who worked for KNBR at > that time. It might be urban legend, but at least it's close to the source. > Well, I certainly won't argue with it then. I know it is possible to light low wattage lights from the EMF of a poweerful transmitter, but I have my doubts about the 100 watt bulbs used in homes or the 300 watt bulbs used in the poultry industry. Tell you what, I'll be near WHAM's 50,000 watt transmitter later this week and I'll run some experiments. Why is it necessary to run electrical lines up a 400 foot tower to power the tower lights, couldn't they just run off the EMF? -- BossJock Now heard over more home radios than any other household appliance!
Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !
Author: Kevin D. Quitt
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:00
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:00
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On Sun, 09 Jun 1996 13:46:47 -0400, Troy Wollensak <bossjock@frontiernet.net> wrote: >In that case, when I parked my van less than 50 feet from KPLA's transmitter >near Valley Home, as I did for five years, the 12 volt lights should have >burned and my battery should have charged itself up. Didn't happen. Not surprising since it was encased in a metal shield, your antenna was small, and probably wasn't tuned properly. >I have my >doubts about the 100 watt bulbs used in homes or the 300 watt bulbs used in >the poultry industry. Tell you what, I'll be near WHAM's 50,000 watt >transmitter later this week and I'll run some experiments. I help install a security system at one of those u-rent places, which system consisted of a grid of wires, with each intersection being a room. The computer would scan rows and columns to read the switch on each door. The wires were as long as 200'. When we hooked up the wires to our drivers (power transistors), ever transistor blew. A new batch did the same thing. It finally occurred to somebody to check the lines, and they found they were getting ~300VAC on the grid. There was a radio station about half a mile away. We ended up using high-voltage drivers. -- #include <standard_disclaimer.h> http://emoryi.jpl.nasa.gov/ _ Kevin D Quitt USA 91351-4454 96.37% of all statistics are made up Per the FCA, this email address may not be added to any commercial mail list
Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !
Author: Kevin D. Quitt
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:00
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:00
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On Sun, 09 Jun 1996 13:46:47 -0400, Troy Wollensak <bossjock@frontiernet.net> wrote: >Why is it necessary to run electrical lines up a 400 foot tower to power the >tower lights, couldn't they just run off the EMF? It's not necessary, it's just a lot more efficient. -- #include <standard_disclaimer.h> http://emoryi.jpl.nasa.gov/ _ Kevin D Quitt USA 91351-4454 96.37% of all statistics are made up Per the FCA, this email address may not be added to any commercial mail list
Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !
Author: Dan Bollinger
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:00
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:00
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Kevin D. Quitt wrote: > > On Sun, 09 Jun 1996 13:46:47 -0400, Troy Wollensak <bossjock@frontiernet.net> > wrote: > >Why is it necessary to run electrical lines up a 400 foot tower to power the > >tower lights, couldn't they just run off the EMF? > > It's not necessary, it's just a lot more efficient. > Safer, too. That way you don't loose the safety lights when the transmitter is down. It's easier to supply emergency power using regular current, also. Dan Bollinger Industrial Designer
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