🚀 go-pugleaf

In a court of law when someone comes to kill you even if the primary intent
was not do that but ends up hurting you or killing you anyway, they are held
responsible for deadly assault or murder, for polluters they get to keep
doing it and make a profit.

>            are people being murdered especially in NE and
>
>      La on purpose? And not doing anything about pollution on purpose
>
>
>      Here is a another new link from the damages of particulates which
> would make
>      the damages from terror look like a picnic.when you consider illness
> and not
>      just death yet no one can sue these people as sabotaging efforts to
> protect
>      our people? We know better, we have the capabilities of putting the
> links
>      together...See last paragraph for new link
>      I think just as transcripts
>      said Tobacco execs knew of the damages and was heard talking about
> it.
> the
>      oil and
>      car makers and coal polluters will one day say they knew of the
> pollution
>      and were glad the liberals and poor from inner city were being
> tortured by
>      their companies exhausts.
>
>
>      >
>      >
>      >> another bad air day  for the week  and year  in many areas of Ne
> for you
>      >> your family
>      >> so
>      >> polluters and republicans stay rich and happy while your families
> lose
>      >> years of life and health. It seems in some places we are getting
> over 170
>      >> days out of the good air zone. thats 3/4 more bad air days then
> Bush will
>      >> ever see in one year, then most people will ever see in Hawaii in
> ten
>      >> years, and will promote much more diseases for people in those
> areas
>      >> closest downwind from pollution then those who don't get it. But
> heck
>      >> paying for gas thru the nose, paying for utilities, paying for
> medication
>      >> to treat you after they poison you is a full time thing for people
> who
>      >> have to work just so they can give energy companies and car
> companies and
>      >> oil everything they got. >and there doesn't seem to be any
> responsibility
>      >> to use all that money to make it safer faster or just plain safe.
>      >> More and more days without good air, keeps increasing  in ne and
> se
> and
>      >> people aging
>      >> faster here, more asthma and heart disease then average and not
> much is
>      >> done except to say the  HEAD of epa has found the sweet point in
> complete
>      >> disagreement almost with his own agencies experts?   Just another
> day
>      >> at the office for republicans,  and for many others.affected
> pollution....and constantly dosing and suffering, give people these toxins
> , with air allot of time
> out of
>      >> the good zone with high particulates
>      >> , which in  my calculations keeps increasing, as
>      >> they warn the sensitive
>      >> to not exercise  and my lungs automatically constrict  and  even
> some asthma
> meds
>      >> are not helping, and these meds are no accident, the prescription
> for asthma meds is  near the top prescribed med in our area. Then they say
> our
> youth is
>      >> not getting enough exercise.One
>      >> in five kids in our area has asthma (some areas)
>      >> Moderate is the zone that is killing people some claim  and there
> are
>      >> links
>      >> too , and warnings  on some sites and where
>      >> people get sick (really) and they call it
>      >> moderate And This Johnson head of the agency that protects us
> thinks is
>      >> the sweet point?  Can a head decision makers in  A congress
> mandated
>      >> program be sabotaging our health for the sake of oil and polluters
> or committing murder? Can a judge or lawyer look at this possiblity?
?
> When
>      >> 22 experts under him from the epa say we need more rules not less
> the
>      >> answer is yes, and this becomes a faucet to allow more Americans
> to
>      >> suffer
>      >> and get diseases and those experts think we don't  have enough
> things in
>      >> place I
>      >> believe em and thing Govt and polluters  should foster  to make
> those changes now not 20 years from now  ..  We are
> getting
>      >> over 175 days of that
>      >>  or this poison in my area this year,
>      >> how are kids suppose to exercise or people in general compete .if
> many can't do it in good health? or if
> its
>      >> really not healthy to do so, and EPA head Johnson
>      >> protecting
>      >> oil and polluters appointed by Bushi s helping to murder people
> (johnson)
>      >> down wind in cities like this
>      >> much more then terror has done Many people are getting huge doses
> of this
>      >> and the tests can prove it its hurting people NOW WHAT?  ,I admit
> many
>      >> are not but govt should warn those that
>      >> are if they are going to poison them and be this diversity between
> people
>      >> who are affected and people who aren't or a beter idea is make
> companies
>      >> responsible to make their exhausts cleaner in those areas! Not
> ingore it
>      >> for crying out loud..
>      > .Its going on now. While Bush family lives in
>      >> kennebunkport which in case anyone cares is  conveniently located
> in
>      >> great
>      >> air . The best and brightest know where to live the poor and
> minorities
>      >> and people who can't move will just now lose years of life on top
> of
>      >> paying more for energy in the way of gasonline and utility bills
> and
>      >> medication then anything else combined and for this they are
> poisoned.... Or MURDERED

the incredible thing is when someone comes to kill you or  even kills you
with no real intent to kill but understands thru the  ramifications of his
actions still does the same thing that promotes killing , the person is held
responsible for  murder. Here the pumpers and murderers get paid....




>      >> What a racket.  I do
>      >> happen to like Bush sr by the way up there in Maine but he doesn't
> care
>      >> one iota of what others have to go thru , just plays golf .
> Whether
> you
>      >> like
>      >> the Bushs personally or not they are often salesmen for people
> that
> are
>      >> harming me and others in the US and much more can be done and its
> not .
>      >> Bush
>      >> is a salesman for poison pumpers . All we ask is for safe
> standards
> that
>      >> are
>      >> doable! or at least protecting all americans equally.
>      >>
>      >> >
>      >>>
>      >>> >
>      >>>> First off I think its important to state I love my country and I
> hope I
>      >>>> can
>      >>>> contribute in  making it better without people thinking I am
> unfairly
>      >>>> complaining for the sake of complaining.cause I really believe
> what I
>      >>>> write
>      >>>> is important and true. I am sorry I have to offend some people
> but tis
>      >>>> obvious, this is , or might be the difference between life and
> death
>      >>>> and
>      >>>> right
>      >>>> and wrong.
>      >>>>> not maybe, absolutely.  The companies who pump this stuff know
> of the
>      >>>>> dangers from their pollution, the govt
>      >>>>> knows it, the only people who don't want you to know it is the
> news
>      >>>>> media
>      >>>>> ,
>      >>>>> the polluters, the President,
>      >>>>> and Supreme Court and some in Congress who ignore all obvious
> links to
>      >>>>> the damage.to support the richest companies at the expense of
> families
>      >>>>> and countless lives. How is this fair or right or good for a
> free
>      >>>>> society ? You figure this out, I don't know why pollution is
> affecting
>      >>>>> so many and me more now  or whether global
>      >>>>> warming is making it worse ( probable), all I know its
> happening
> and
>      >>>>> its
>      >>>>> adding to wrong links by govt not caring to do more . Our govt.
> says
>      >>>>> others are doing  the wrong thing  for their when they allie
> with
>      >>>>> terrorists .We are setting wrong models too ,when  the lines
> are
>      >>>>> crossed
>      >>>>> between safety and sanity  I say the links to
>      >>>>> pollution and ill health or worse : lower longevity
>      >>>>> for
>      >>>>> families that are closest to the pollution are provable without
> one
>      >>>>> iota
>      >>>>> of
>      >>>>> doubt.Just because allot of pollution maynot be affecting you ,
> don't
>      >>>>> mean its not happening to others.
>      >>> Here is a conversation I had with someone in a newsgroup
>      >>>
>      >>> They can mandate better fuel effecincy
>      >>>>
>      >>>> They have done this on a phased in basis.  The only way to make
> huge
>      >>>> gains
>      >>>> in technology is if the consumer funds it by buying it.  No
> other
> way
>      >>>> can
>      >>>> generate the cash needed for significant large scale
> improvements.
>      >>> No other way? The hope ws that the gov would increase the
> mandatory
>      >>> miles
>      >>> per gallon all future cars needed to have I  think .
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>> better mix of corn or ethanol
>      >>>>
>      >>>> New cars are already mandated to be compatible with such fuels.
>      >>>> However,
>      >>>> very few gas stations carry it.  Again, it has to be consumer
> driven to
>      >>>> get stations to want to install it.  If its mandated and
> consumers
>      >>>> won't
>      >>>> pay it guess what happens?
>      >>>
>      >>> . Its mixed in already? Whats the problem?  What consumers have
>      >>> objected?
>      >>> Now its possible the costs might have  rises since this
> alternative has
>      >>> become
>      >>> available and gas prices has fallen, but perhaps this is why gas
> prices
>      >>> have
>      >>> fallen. Two good reasons to keep adding this to the fuel.:
> Cleaner
>      >>> burning
>      >>> and
>      >>>  lower prices, a no brainer.
>      >>> They just need to mix more of it..
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>>>, faster clean up of  smoke stack pollution standards
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Already mandated in a phased in plan.  So I assume you want that
>      >>>> phasing
>      >>>> sped up.  How much does your plan cost?
>      >>> Do you know how much pollution costs in lost productivity and ill
> health
>      >>> in  peoples lives?
>      >>> Seriously, if we are not being told of the consequences or the
> levels of
>      >>> pollution, I
>      >>> don't think you can know of the true costs  and effects pollution
> has on
>      >>> people in lost
>      >>> health and productivity .  This is where progressive governments
> differ
>      >>> then
>      >>> ours and its because the people in charge often  has a mindset of
> doing
>      >>> more for alternaties and not defaulting with the status quo with
> oil
>      >>> paying
>      >>> for campaigns over  lives of its people. Just because it may not
> affect
>      >>> you
>      >>> now or yet don't mean its not affecting others big time like me
> or
>      >>> others.
>      >>> .
>      >>> Global warming is a huge issue around the world and again the
> people in
>      >>> the Bush
>      >>> administration don't want to do its part in even accepting part
> of
> Kyoto
>      >>> treaty . As the true costs of this one sided reliance on oil and
>      >>> production
>      >>> companies take its toll, people will die and other countries will
> make
>      >>> changes faster. . T he cost  in cleaning up our environment  now,
> is
>      >>> minimal
>      >>> compared to lost productivity but to be honest if we are fighting
> to
>      >>> stop
>      >>> terror, trying to protect our people from lost longevity and
> illness
>      >>> from
>      >>> pollution when
>      >>> experts say its possible, should at least be just as
> important..Like I
>      >>> said
>      >>> the overall effects from this toxic poisoning is clearly not
> evident  or
>      >>> being told , to the
>      >>> public and many people don't have the time to wait for ever
> increasing
>      >>> lethal associations and studies to sure to come. , but from the
> way all
>      >>> the damages are NOT neatly put
>      >>> together and packaged like our concerns with  someone in office
> having
>      >>> sex
>      >>> or  bad spinanch or even smoking, one wonders why not the same
> concern
>      >>> for
>      >>> this important happening. I can tell you what they are hiding,
> our
>      >>> dependence on this is
>      >>> without any doubt causing tens of thousands of deaths and illness
> that
>      >>> would
>      >>> make all terror look like a picnic. . Almost whatever  costs  to
> clean
>      >>> up
>      >>> pollution now and in the future is a win win scenario down the
> line. The
>      >>> problem is you don't want to promote the tests to find out how
> much is
>      >>> being
>      >>> lost do you now? . The potential or real loss in productivity and
> value
>      >>> for
>      >>> years of life is huge  compared to  the / value energy companies
> save in
>      >>> doing it piece meal slowly . I thought the govt was here to
> protect its
>      >>> citizens not poison them and protect the people who paid for
> their
>      >>> campaigns! In my mind this is one reason why the poor can't make
> the
>      >>> proper
>      >>> choices, why people do the wrong things, because we don't have a
> govt
>      >>> that
>      >>> sponsers the right values. ....the money now to clean the smoke
>      >>> stacks.faster is money used for the right things.  . The problem
> is they
>      >>> are
>      >>> hiding the damages, the studies have not been made to show why
> cleaning
>      >>> up
>      >>> the stacks are important,  and govt incredibly enough knows about
> it but
>      >>> does not want to do more. For many govts around the world
> theydon't have
>      >>> the
>      >>> impetus or money to sponser alternatives faster but we do. Some
> of
> the
>      >>> smartest people in the world has said we are killing the planet.
> If the
>      >>> studies were made to show the true consequences and people were
> told
>      >>> they
>      >>> were dying years if not decades sooner because of this poison
> there
>      >>> would
>      >>> be
>      >>> more emphasis in trying to eradicate the causes faster because
> afterall
>      >>> we
>      >>> are the richest or one of the richest nations on earth. We can
> send
>      >>> people
>      >>> in billion dollar space stations but allow the slaughter of its
> people
>      >>> because energy companies fuel the people in powers campaign .. A
> crime
>      >>> of
>      >>> mass proportion and like Terrorism , they will have to answer to
> this
>      >>> someday...because when we do the wrong things it connects to
> doing
> the
>      >>> wrong
>      >>> things in other ways. Finally I am not an expert in indentifying
> how we
>      >>> are
>      >>> suppose to deal with global warming but it doesn't take a brain
>      >>> scientists
>      >>> if you had to breathe this air everyday ) to know someone should
>      >>> immediately
>      >>> do more to stop the poisoning of its people that these toxics are
> most
>      >>> assuredly doing.To do otherwise is allowing holocausts to go on
> thats
>      >>> how
>      >>> sure I am of the damages and consequences...
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>> If the studies don't
>      >>>>> conclusively prove it  now, it can be proved. Anyone want to
> see
> my
>      >>>>> accumulated soot and black soot accumulated via a furnance
> filter from
>      >>>>> only
>      >>>>> 25 days of living in moderate
>      >>>>> amounts of particulates/.I dare anyone to compare our peoples
> overall
>      >>>>> health
>      >>>>> to those in clean  areas who ate the same things.Its like
> living
> in
>      >>>>> two
>      >>>>> different centuries, one with more health and optimism and the
> other
>      >>>>> mean,
>      >>>>> dependent on medications and hospitals, crime cyniscim  and ill
>      >>>>> health.
>      >>>>> But
>      >>>>> its the  condition of health between the two different peoples,
> that
>      >>>>> would
>      >>>>> show
>      >>>>> that polluters and govt policy is allowing the  murdering of
> families
>      >>>>> or
>      >>>>> cutting short their lives or health and  nothing  is being done
> to
>      >>>>> protect
>      >>>>> them equally!
>      >>>>> I
>      >>>>> can think of ten more tests to prove it.,\
>      >>>>> Please send my following opinion and links to real facts to
> your
>      >>>>> Congressman
>      >>>>> and ask how the greatest country in the world can get away with
>      >>>>> poisoning
>      >>>>> inner city youth and millions of people without a thing done to
>      >>>>> protect
>      >>>>> them.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Is it possible?
>      >>>>> Mr. Bush get a clue, side with safety , not poisoning people.
>      >>>>> Coming back from , Boston or New York I am often taken back and
> my
>      >>>>> lungs
>      >>>>> constrict as I head
>      >>>>> to Philly yet no one cares. This is totally involuntary reflex
> due the
>      >>>>> poisons. Can you imagine families having to put up with this
> for
>      >>>>> decades
>      >>>>> and
>      >>>>> it affects another area of their body , one not so obvious?
>      >>>>> Ok? Now you or anyone tell me why this isn't the most important
> things
>      >>>>> in
>      >>>>> people lives right now... MASS MURDER by oil , coal and car
> companies
>      >>>>> and
>      >>>>> who will ever compensate those that will lose their health and
> lives
>      >>>>> and
>      >>>>> fiances to it? There are many many ways to prove all this
> beyond
> the
>      >>>>> few
>      >>>>> studies on web and epa findings and American Lung Associations
> ratings
>      >>>>> of
>      >>>>> F.
>      >>>>> Where are the attorneys? Why isn't more being done. What I do
> hear is
>      >>>>> its
>      >>>>> not as bad as it once was, and its a beautiful day , and 23
> different
>      >>>>> medications to treat sleep disorders and asthma and allergy
> after they
>      >>>>> poison you .We get commercials for inhalers and oxygen and not
> a
> worry
>      >>>>> in
>      >>>>> the
>      >>>>> world why people age and die faster in these polluted hell
> holes
> ..
>      >>>>> <info@economicdemocracy.org> wrote in message
>      >>>>> news:1158681407.782351.246170@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>      >>>>> The denial industry
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> For years, a network of fake citizens' groups and bogus
> scientific
>      >>>>> bodies has been claiming that science of global warming is
>      >>>>> inconclusive. They set back action on climate change by a
> decade. But
>      >>>>> who funded them? Exxon's involvement is well known, but not the
>      >>>>> strange
>      >>>>> role of Big Tobacco. In the first of three extracts from his
> new
> book,
>      >>>>> George Monbiot tells a bizarre and shocking new story
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Tuesday September 19, 2006
>      >>>>> The Guardian
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Exxon station in California
>      >>>>> 'The impacts of the climate-change deniers sponsored by Exxon
> have
>      >>>>> been
>      >>>>> felt all over the world.' Photograph: AP
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> ExxonMobil is the world's most profitable corporation. Its
> sales
> now
>      >>>>> amount to more than $1bn a day. It makes most of this money
> from
> oil,
>      >>>>> and has more to lose than any other company from efforts to
> tackle
>      >>>>> climate change. To safeguard its profits, ExxonMobil needs to
> sow
>      >>>>> doubt
>      >>>>> about whether serious action needs to be taken on climate
> change. But
>      >>>>> there are difficulties: it must confront a scientific consensus
> as
>      >>>>> strong as that which maintains that smoking causes lung cancer
> or that
>      >>>>> HIV causes Aids. So what's its strategy?
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Article continues
>      >>>>> The website Exxonsecrets.org, using data found in the company's
>      >>>>> official documents, lists 124 organisations that have taken
> money from
>      >>>>> the company or work closely with those that have. These
> organisations
>      >>>>> take a consistent line on climate change: that the science is
>      >>>>> contradictory, the scientists are split, environmentalists are
>      >>>>> charlatans, liars or lunatics, and if governments took action
> to
>      >>>>> prevent global warming, they would be endangering the global
> economy
>      >>>>> for no good reason. The findings these organisations dislike
> are
>      >>>>> labelled "junk science". The findings they welcome are labelled
> "sound
>      >>>>> science".
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Among the organisations that have been funded by Exxon are such
>      >>>>> well-known websites and lobby groups as TechCentralStation, the
> Cato
>      >>>>> Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Some of those on the
> list
> have
>      >>>>> names that make them look like grassroots citizens'
> organisations or
>      >>>>> academic bodies: the Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and
> Global
>      >>>>> Change, for example. One or two of them, such as the Congress
> of
>      >>>>> Racial
>      >>>>> Equality, are citizens' organisations or academic bodies, but
> the line
>      >>>>> they take on climate change is very much like that of the other
>      >>>>> sponsored groups. While all these groups are based in America,
> their
>      >>>>> publications are read and cited, and their staff are
> interviewed
> and
>      >>>>> quoted, all over the world.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> By funding a large number of organisations, Exxon helps to
> create the
>      >>>>> impression that doubt about climate change is widespread. For
> those
>      >>>>> who
>      >>>>> do not understand that scientific findings cannot be trusted if
> they
>      >>>>> have not appeared in peer-reviewed journals, the names of these
>      >>>>> institutes help to suggest that serious researchers are
> challenging
>      >>>>> the
>      >>>>> consensus.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> This is not to claim that all the science these groups champion
> is
>      >>>>> bogus. On the whole, they use selection, not invention. They
> will find
>      >>>>> one contradictory study - such as the discovery of tropospheric
>      >>>>> cooling, which, in a garbled form, has been used by Peter
> Hitchens in
>      >>>>> the Mail on Sunday - and promote it relentlessly. They will
> continue
>      >>>>> to
>      >>>>> do so long after it has been disproved by further work. So, for
>      >>>>> example, John Christy, the author of the troposphere paper,
> admitted
>      >>>>> in
>      >>>>> August 2005 that his figures were incorrect, yet his initial
> findings
>      >>>>> are still being circulated and championed by many of these
> groups, as
>      >>>>> a
>      >>>>> quick internet search will show you.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> But they do not stop there. The chairman of a group called the
> Science
>      >>>>> and Environmental Policy Project is Frederick Seitz. Seitz is a
>      >>>>> physicist who in the 1960s was president of the US National
> Academy of
>      >>>>> Sciences. In 1998, he wrote a document, known as the Oregon
> Petition,
>      >>>>> which has been cited by almost every journalist who claims that
>      >>>>> climate
>      >>>>> change is a myth.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>> Mass poisoning of people makes 9/11 look like a picnic and
> Bush
> is
>      >>>>>> one
>      >>>>>> link or cause
>      >>>>>> of
>      >>>>>> it. We can do moe now, we don't have to pretend we don't know
> of the
>      >>>>>> damage.Some people cared like Christie Whitman and Al Gore and
> others
>      >>>>>> looked away and even promoted this murder policy that is going
> on.
>      >>>>>> Its
>      >>>>>> the point that we know all this, can do more and still don't
>      >>>>>> that really gets to me on top of the physical discomfort of
> being
>      >>>>>> choked
>      >>>>>> with asthma only on these days and those days are numerous.
>      >>>>>> I live it every year in this helll hole. Where over 100 days
> so
> far
>      >>>>>> with
>      >>>>>> air
>      >>>>>> out of the good zone. Where my lungs constrict,. where peoples
>      >>>>>> atttiudes
>      >>>>>> are
>      >>>>>> rotten, where drinking and drugging might be appropriate
> response to
>      >>>>>> being
>      >>>>>> poisoned, many are jobless and mean spirited  then they tell
> you
>      >>>>>> about
>      >>>>>> our
>      >>>>>> crime rate that keeps increasing, but no links to pollution!
> We
>      >>>>>> are being poisoned. If your not affected and many aren't ,
> please
>      >>>>>> realize
>      >>>>>> many others are.  So many things are affected negatively and
> the best
>      >>>>>> and
>      >>>>>> brightest in news and politicians ignore it. They rather talk
> about
>      >>>>>> Iraq.
>      >>>>>> Let me tell you something this poisoning makes Iraq and 9/11
> look
>      >>>>>> like
>      >>>>>> a
>      >>>>>> picnic and its because of the oil, and energy lobby and car
>      >>>>>> companies.
>      >>>>>> They
>      >>>>>> all are going about telling you of changes but chances are for
> too
>      >>>>>> many
>      >>>>>> people it will be too late....
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> >
>      >>>>>>>>>>Of course they are. Pollution is by definition poison.
> That's the
>      >>>>>>>>>>problem
>      >>>>>>> with pollution, it poisons people. DUH!
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Yes but how many people think pollution might have caused
> their
>      >>>>>>> relatives
>      >>>>>>> death? Affected their life span ?  Chances are not many and
> chances
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> ,
>      >>>>>>> at least in my town, they should assume that. So many days
> the
> air
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> horrific here and not a thing said or done. I have been in
> other
>      >>>>>>> places
>      >>>>>>> with clean air and its like living in two different centuries
>      >>>>>>> almost.
>      >>>>>>> Attitudes, crime,  health and total costs for health are or
> might be
>      >>>>>>> different.But most important the actual lives of peoples
> health are
>      >>>>>>> different and many ways to prove it. SSssssssssssoooo many
> people
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> losing their life and age and health to pollution and built
> up
> of
>      >>>>>>> gasses
>      >>>>>>> compared to others its almost unbelievable.
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> We have a street around here called Street Road and come rush
> hour
>      >>>>>> this
>      >>>>>> is
>      >>>>>> life a ten mile polluted town akin probably to most polluted
> places
>      >>>>>> in
>      >>>>>> Asia.
>      >>>>>> All one might have to do is see how the people who work on
> this
>      >>>>>> street
>      >>>>>> has
>      >>>>>> been affected compared to those in clean air to know what kind
> of
>      >>>>>> poison
>      >>>>>> people are getting. Not all poisons are equally venomous.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>> Maybe you or your friends are old looking and your friend
> didn't die
>      >>>>>> from
>      >>>>>> old age, they died
>      >>>>>> earlier because of wrongrace, or where you lived and died
> because
>      >>>>>> Bush
>      >>>>>> didn't
>      >>>>>> care one iota for your health , and in fact can be argued is
>      >>>>>> contributing
>      >>>>>> to
>      >>>>>> you and your families ill health and death...I can argue the
>      >>>>>> democrats
>      >>>>>> didn't care either but we know more now, anyone can add up the
>      >>>>>> objective
>      >>>>>> data. Anyone can add up the number of prescription for asthma
> meds
>      >>>>>> and
>      >>>>>> compare the stats by area. Anyone can compare the state of
> health
>      >>>>>> between
>      >>>>>> people who live in polluted areas and those that don't. The
> studies
>      >>>>>> so
>      >>>>>> far
>      >>>>>> are dim for the people in the NE being poisoned. Everyone
> should be
>      >>>>>> on
>      >>>>>> some kind of disability if I am any example of how this toxic
> air
>      >>>>>> affects
>      >>>>>> one over time , the head of the EPA thinks is acceptable but
>      >>>>>> practically
>      >>>>>> ever other expert from his own agency doesn't. How can I give
> this
>      >>>>>> jerk
>      >>>>>> the same choking that he allows me to get? Where people are
> being
>      >>>>>> poisoned
>      >>>>>> and made to die decades earlier because of Bushs policies?
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101616.html
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>                     EPA Reports 6 out of every 10 homes are
> sick.
>      >>>>>>>  a.. Strong new evidence suggests that air pollution emitted
> by
>      >>>>>>> power
>      >>>>>>> plants and vehicles
>      >>>>>>>  across the US raises the risk of lung disease, according to
> a
> study
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> Journal of
>      >>>>>>>  the American Medical Association.
>      >>>>>>>  b.. The air inside your home may be 5 times more polluted
> than the
>      >>>>>>> air
>      >>>>>>> outside, according
>      >>>>>>>  to the EPA.
>      >>>>>>>  c.. More than 1/2 of the US population is breathing
> unhealthy
>      >>>>>>> amounts
>      >>>>>>> of
>      >>>>>>> air pollution
>      >>>>>>>  according to the American Lung Association's State of the
> Air,
>      >>>>>>> 2002.
>      >>>>>>>  d.. 40-50 million Americans suffer from allergies and 17
> million
>      >>>>>>> battle
>      >>>>>>> asthma.
>      >>>>>>>  e.. Virus, fungus, bacteria and hundreds of other germs are
> carried
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> air at all times.
>      >>>>>>>  While inhaled into the lungs, germs can cause cold, flu,
> pneumonia
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> other respiratory infections. When these germs lodge in your
> lungs,
>      >>>>>>> your
>      >>>>>>> breathing can be disrupted
>      >>>>>>>  and you can become ill. American Lung Association
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> there are a few associations between politics and asthma
> which
> yout
>      >>>>>>> wo
>      >>>>>>> seem
>      >>>>>>> to take issue about the most when I associate the idea. even
>      >>>>>>> thoughyou
>      >>>>>>> don't
>      >>>>>>> read my posts. Here are a few other ideas: Pollution is one
> of
> the
>      >>>>>>> most
>      >>>>>>> important but often overlooked causes of ill health. If you
> were to
>      >>>>>>> ask
>      >>>>>>> people what werethe causes of your relatives death few would
> say
>      >>>>>>> pollution
>      >>>>>>> but yet that isexactly what might have been a major
> contributor. I
>      >>>>>>> think
>      >>>>>>> people have toldme they came away thinking differently about
> asthma
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> pollution and illhealth after reading my posts. People might
> know of
>      >>>>>>> pollutions consequencesbut most people don't know their
> cities
> air
>      >>>>>>> ratings
>      >>>>>>> or how it pertains tooverall health. If I can promote people
> to be
>      >>>>>>> educated
>      >>>>>>> about one of the mostimportant factors in their health in
> life, then
>      >>>>>>> I
>      >>>>>>> can
>      >>>>>>> take the criticismsfrom people like you who obviously feel a
> bit
>      >>>>>>> threatened
>      >>>>>>> by information thatyou can't contribute. . I may post allot
> and its
>      >>>>>>> because
>      >>>>>>> the news media willnot go over the issue of pollution and the
>      >>>>>>> consequences
>      >>>>>>> and this will keeppeople a, uneducated about political
> changes, and
>      >>>>>>> b,
>      >>>>>>> uneducated aboutchoices where to live and how to find better
>      >>>>>>> conditions
>      >>>>>>> of
>      >>>>>>> air for theirfamily."mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>      >>>>>>> news:fAXRg.2620$422.457@trnddc03...> yes, but do you realize
> one in
>      >>>>>>> five
>      >>>>>>> kids in NE states has asthma in some> places? They didn't
> have
>      >>>>>>> anything
>      >>>>>>> wrong with em.... the trees are dying> here, in droves, I
>      >>>>>>> automatically
>      >>>>>>> can't breath in moderate particulates,and> our news says
> polluted
>      >>>>>>> days
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> beautiful and their commericals are paidfor> by 34 different
>      >>>>>>> companies
>      >>>>>>> that
>      >>>>>>> tout drugs to treat you after they poison> you. If you think
> the
>      >>>>>>> goal
>      >>>>>>> for
>      >>>>>>> people to have jobs at poisoning the planet> and expense is
> business
>      >>>>>>> as
>      >>>>>>> it
>      >>>>>>> should be, better guess again or volunteerto> take our place
> while
>      >>>>>>> we
>      >>>>>>> live
>      >>>>>>> in Hawaii or at the ranch far away from> motorists and
> crime...> The
>      >>>>>>> stats
>      >>>>>>> say pollution kills and I say its underreported of the
> dangers.>
>      >>>>>>> When
>      >>>>>>> I
>      >>>>>>> first started people said I was crazy , global warming isn't
> true.>
>      >>>>>>> Guess
>      >>>>>>> what , if people knew that the biggest single reason for
>      >>>>>>> illnesswhen>
>      >>>>>>> everything else like diet and addictions were the same is
>      >>>>>>> pollution,people>
>      >>>>>>> might be singing a different
>      >>>>>>>
> tune.>>>>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk>>>
>      >>>>>>> some people think more people are being murdered by polluters
>      >>>>>>> then>>>
>      >>>>>>> murder, 9/11 and Iraq combined. Not only do longevity studies
> prove
>      >>>>>>> when>>>
>      >>>>>>> every thing else is the same , like diet and addiction
> levels,
>      >>>>>>> pollution>>>
>      >>>>>>> levels and amount of days an areas  t=that gets moderate or
>      >>>>>>> worseparticulates  is>>> the defining factor in contributing
> to
>      >>>>>>> lower
>      >>>>>>> longevity,>>> but many studies have showed cause and
> effect.When
>      >>>>>>> everything
>      >>>>>>> is similar>>> such as>>> diet and addiction, the defining
> factor for
>      >>>>>>> longevity seems to be how>>> close>>> people live to
> pollutants and
>      >>>>>>> how
>      >>>>>>> often. The associations between>>> pollution>>> and ill
> health
> are
>      >>>>>>> out
>      >>>>>>> there, but our news and politicians don't care>>> except>>>
> for
>      >>>>>>> Arnold
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> NY. mayor. More studies can be done and I could volunteermany
> types
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> how
>      >>>>>>> they can be done but I know what the result would show,the
> oil
> and
>      >>>>>>> energy
>      >>>>>>> crew don't want to know the truth . I am being charged upto
> 59
>      >>>>>>> dollars
>      >>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>> month for the right to use gas even if I don't use it. Canyou
>      >>>>>>> imagine
>      >>>>>>> what
>      >>>>>>> the conservatives would be screaming if someone chargedthem
> 59
>      >>>>>>> dollars
>      >>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>> month for something they don't use? Only in America canenergy
> get
>      >>>>>>> special
>      >>>>>>> treatment, poison you, made to pay more for it thenanything
> else
>      >>>>>>> combined
>      >>>>>>> and after they poison you, they cover it up and youcan't sue
> em...
>      >>>>>>> Oil
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> old energy people and Johnson from EPA>>> and Republicans are
> in
>      >>>>>>> power
>      >>>>>>> with
>      >>>>>>> a>>> mandate  knowing  people cant seem to  sue them and
> those
>      >>>>>>> people
>      >>>>>>> say>>> pollution and>>> its negative effects is not proven to
> prop
>      >>>>>>> up
>      >>>>>>> their
>      >>>>>>> energy supporterswho>>> gain billions, at your healths and
> families
>      >>>>>>> expense
>      >>>>>>> and this ispatronage and favoritism and wait, its at your>>>
> healths
>      >>>>>>> expense. This is MURDER . Where is expectation  of
> protectionfrom
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> epa
>      >>>>>>> who>>> disagrees with Johnson on this issue , or isn't govt
> is
> here
>      >>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>> protectcitizens>>> equally/ Not in Bushs or Johnsons or
> Republicans
>      >>>>>>> MURDER
>      >>>>>>> the people who>>> don't know world.This is domestic
> terrorism.
> Don't
>      >>>>>>> think
>      >>>>>>> so trybreathing this for fifty years. look at my filters for
> one
>      >>>>>>> month,
>      >>>>>>> get
>      >>>>>>> intothis area of moderate pollution for 100 plus days a year
> and see
>      >>>>>>> how
>      >>>>>>> ittakes its tolls . Do a study. see how those closest to the
>      >>>>>>> pollution
>      >>>>>>> diesalmost 15 years sooner and those that don't have they
> tested
>      >>>>>>> their
>      >>>>>>> overallhealth compared to places with little or no pollution?
> I will
>      >>>>>>> tell
>      >>>>>>> you theresults. there are huge differences in attitudes, in
> health ,
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> optimismand even crime sometimes. all because of pollution
> levels.
>      >>>>>>> If
>      >>>>>>> republicansare poisoning people and not doing anything about
> it,
>      >>>>>>> this
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> murder...>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html>>>
>      >>>>>>> There
>      >>>>>>> are many other studies to show cause and effect and
> morecould>>> be
>      >>>>>>> had
>      >>>>>>> but
>      >>>>>>> you can't sue the bastards so don't expect to see
> thestudies..>>>
>      >>>>>>> This
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>> democracy? Poor being>>> poisoned, rich many living 14 years
> longer
>      >>>>>>> then
>      >>>>>>> others cause they arerich>>> and not near the pollution, the
> rest
>      >>>>>>> near
>      >>>>>>> polluters deal with it. Payfor>>> your lost health and
> medication so
>      >>>>>>> polluters make billions.Its not likewe>>> can't do more and
> we
> will
>      >>>>>>> leave
>      >>>>>>> ourselves vulnerable. All we are asking>>> for>>> is making
> changes
>      >>>>>>> that
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> available today faster!>>>>>>      Just moderate amounts of
> this
>      >>>>>>> poison
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> killing and hurtingamericans>>> and your families.... right
> now and
>      >>>>>>> this
>      >>>>>>> much I promise is true. The>>> latest longevity study shows
> that
>      >>>>>>> some
>      >>>>>>> people
>      >>>>>>> are living up to 14 years>>> longer and often the best
> longevity is
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> rich
>      >>>>>>> places in clean air.Clean>>> and dirty air in the longevity
> study
>      >>>>>>> recently
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>forget about record number of asthma, forget illness we are
> talking
>      >>>>>>>death
>      >>>>>>>> by
>      >>>>>>>> pollution
>      >>>>>>>> in addition to all the links I gave before  and are
> available
> on
>      >>>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>>> net
>      >>>>>>>>> with the associationg of  death and ill health to
> pollution,
> the
>      >>>>>>>>> new
>      >>>>>>>>> longevity study by state
>      >>>>>>>>> shows that pollution is a factor in determning old age too
> in some
>      >>>>>>>>> if
>      >>>>>>>>> not
>      >>>>>>>>> all places although the study authors didn't directly
> mention
>      >>>>>>>>> pollution..
>      >>>>>>>>> (how convenient)
>      >>>>>>>>> The study conveniently left out pollution as a factor .This
> is
>      >>>>>>>>> such
>      >>>>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>>>> giant conspiracy to not tell people i think its absolutely
>      >>>>>>>>> criminal
>      >>>>>>>>> .
>      >>>>>>>>> I
>      >>>>>>>>> think
>      >>>>>>>>> lawyers can add this study to the ammunition they already
> could
>      >>>>>>>>> get
>      >>>>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>>>> show
>      >>>>>>>>> pollution is associated to added risk of death and ill
> health.
>      >>>>>>>>> There
>      >>>>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>>>> not
>      >>>>>>>>> a place that has high amount of particle pollution with
> people who
>      >>>>>>>>> live
>      >>>>>>>>> on
>      >>>>>>>>> average the longest. In fact your more likely to not live
> longest
>      >>>>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>>>> live
>      >>>>>>>>> shorter lives when you get high particulates and or ozone
> and
>      >>>>>>>>> everything
>      >>>>>>>>> else in polluted and non polluted  areas are
>      >>>>>>>>> the same like diet and rates of addiction (thats my
> theory),
> so
>      >>>>>>>>> now
>      >>>>>>>>> what?
>      >>>>>>>>> If someone were to tell you or your family were going to
> loseup to
>      >>>>>>>>> five
>      >>>>>>>>> years of life  or a decade or more  for something you had
> no
>      >>>>>>>>> control
>      >>>>>>>>> of,
>      >>>>>>>>> or because of
>      >>>>>>>>> where you lived would you or should you
>      >>>>>>>>> be concerned? Should  you be warned? Should we have
> politicians or
>      >>>>>>>>> gov
>      >>>>>>>>> policy
>      >>>>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>>>> protect you or families equally with expectations to live
> without
>      >>>>>>>>> undue
>      >>>>>>>>> risks?  should people in the US expect with their tax
> dollars,
>      >>>>>>>>> that
>      >>>>>>>>> they
>      >>>>>>>>> be warned of risks of bodily harm,  or  probabe cause  of
> imminent
>      >>>>>>>>> dangers Well
>      >>>>>>>>> that is exactly what is not  happening and no one is
> warning
> you.
>      >>>>>>>>> Its
>      >>>>>>>>> ok
>      >>>>>>>>> to murder
>      >>>>>>>>> people so it seems as long as you can't sue the people who
> are
>      >>>>>>>>> murdering
>      >>>>>>>>> you.  and or your too poor to care or know your being
> poisoned
>      >>>>>>>>> .When
>      >>>>>>>>> cigarette companies and people who make errant products can
> be
>      >>>>>>>>> sued even though the people often had a choice its one
> thing. With
>      >>>>>>>>> energy
>      >>>>>>>>> companies or car companies, and  govt, that often sets
> amount of
>      >>>>>>>>> pollution, people down wind
>      >>>>>>>>> have no choices. people and companies profitting at
> someones
>      >>>>>>>>> health
>      >>>>>>>>> expense should not be allowed until provisions are made so
>      >>>>>>>>> companies
>      >>>>>>>>> have to reduce the factors that increase the risks of
> pollution
>      >>>>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>>>> ill
>      >>>>>>>>> health ...   everyone should be protected equally
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>  Not only that, how long you live by state is often
>      >>>>>>>>> diffused by not showing how long you might live in the most
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted
>      >>>>>>>>> cities in that state. Often the difference of only 40 miles
> could
>      >>>>>>>>> be
>      >>>>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>>>> difference between living years longer or not.  ( for
> instance NJ
>      >>>>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted state but there are areas in NJ that get overall
> good air
>      >>>>>>>>> near
>      >>>>>>>>> the sea and asian women with good families and no bad
> habits
>      >>>>>>>>> living
>      >>>>>>>>> long
>      >>>>>>>>> time  show that) By and large if you live in
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted city like Camden Washington dc and you do or don't
> have
>      >>>>>>>>> other
>      >>>>>>>>> risk factors, do you know which one is more likely to kill
> you
>      >>>>>>>>> faster?
>      >>>>>>>>> for
>      >>>>>>>>> oil , coal and energy ., THE DEFINING FACTOR IS POLLUTION
> in
>      >>>>>>>>> poisoning
>      >>>>>>>>> people and shortening their life and your not told.  The
> sad
> facts
>      >>>>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>>>> more can be done NOW but isn't.
>      >>>>>>>>> Tens of thousands are losing up to decade of life but news
> would
>      >>>>>>>>> rather
>      >>>>>>>>> tell you about Britney Spears or a way in Iraq where one
> tenth as
>      >>>>>>>>> many
>      >>>>>>>>> people are dying, except here no one has a choice in
> accepting
>      >>>>>>>>> these
>      >>>>>>>>> toxins.
>      >>>>>>>>> .Of course the issue of condition of health is not even
> factored
>      >>>>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>>>> either
>      >>>>>>>>> like the rate of cancer or asthma. If the studies were made
> that
>      >>>>>>>>> compared
>      >>>>>>>>> the health of people who ate the same rather healthy diet
> but one
>      >>>>>>>>> lived
>      >>>>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted city and one didn't that difference would show
> cause and
>      >>>>>>>>> effect.
>      >>>>>>>>> People are being poisoned in many cities in NE and SE and
> these
>      >>>>>>>>> longevity
>      >>>>>>>>> studies adds to the proof.
>      >>>>>>>>> This longevity study should add fuel to the fire that first
> poor
>      >>>>>>>>> people
>      >>>>>>>>> in the cities offer suffer significantly more dealth and
> illness (
>      >>>>>>>>> addictions aside) then rich people in clean areas . Up to
> ten
>      >>>>>>>>> years
>      >>>>>>>>> more.
>      >>>>>>> Any people rich or poor living downwind from pollution are
>      >>>>>>> decreasing
>      >>>>>>> their average life span ... how much so still needs to be
>      >>>>>>> determining
>      >>>>>>> according to particulate and ozone level. In fact of all risk
>      >>>>>>> factors
>      >>>>>>> pollution might be the most important or as important as the
> other
>      >>>>>>> major
>      >>>>>>> risk factors like smoking and poor diet. If we are poisoning
> people
>      >>>>>>> ,
>      >>>>>>> why
>      >>>>>>> should we complain when they rob and shoot you when they
> couldn't be
>      >>>>>>> well
>      >>>>>>> enough to make the right choices?
>      >>>>>>> I saw a show on Britney Spears and we see the importance of
> wars in
>      >>>>>>> Iraq,
>      >>>>>>> we are told of recalls of errant car seat
>      >>>>>>> yet this issue is affecting tens of millions  of little boys
> and
>      >>>>>>> girls
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> families and the press is silent.. That little girl with
> cancer
>      >>>>>>> might
>      >>>>>>> have
>      >>>>>>> gotten cancer simply because her little body could not have
> absorbed
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> toxins around her.
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>We talk about black people in poverty and our young getting
> fat but
>      >>>>>>>>the
>      >>>>>>>>incredible thing is even if they wanted to do better they
> might not
>      >>>>>>>>be
>      >>>>>>>>able! becayse we are dosing them with black lungs and
> polluted
>      >>>>>>>>bodies.
>      >>>>>>>>You try living in this poison for 39 years. Anyone can see
> what kind
>      >>>>>>>>of dirt is coming into my filter every 20 days, just mulitply
> that
>      >>>>>>>>by
>      >>>>>>>>years.....
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>>
>      >>> >
>      >>>> First off I think its important to state I love my country and I
> hope I
>      >>>> can
>      >>>> contribute in  making it better without people thinking I am
> unfairly
>      >>>> complaining for the sake of complaining.cause I really believe
> what I
>      >>>> write
>      >>>> is important and true. I am sorry I have to offend some people
> but tis
>      >>>> obvious, this is , or might be the difference between life and
> death
>      >>>> and
>      >>>> right
>      >>>> and wrong.
>      >>>>> not maybe, absolutely.  The companies who pump this stuff know
> of the
>      >>>>> dangers from their pollution, the govt
>      >>>>> knows it, the only people who don't want you to know it is the
> news
>      >>>>> media
>      >>>>> ,
>      >>>>> the polluters, the President,
>      >>>>> and Supreme Court and some in Congress who ignore all obvious
> links to
>      >>>>> the damage.to support the richest companies at the expense of
> families
>      >>>>> and countless lives. How is this fair or right or good for a
> free
>      >>>>> society ? You figure this out, I don't know why pollution is
> affecting
>      >>>>> so many and me more now  or whether global
>      >>>>> warming is making it worse ( probable), all I know its
> happening
> and
>      >>>>> its
>      >>>>> adding to wrong links by govt not caring to do more . Our govt.
> says
>      >>>>> others are doing  the wrong thing  for their when they allie
> with
>      >>>>> terrorists .We are setting wrong models too ,when  the lines
> are
>      >>>>> crossed
>      >>>>> between safety and sanity  I say the links to
>      >>>>> pollution and ill health or worse : lower longevity
>      >>>>> for
>      >>>>> families that are closest to the pollution are provable without
> one
>      >>>>> iota
>      >>>>> of
>      >>>>> doubt.Just because allot of pollution maynot be affecting you ,
> don't
>      >>>>> mean its not happening to others.
>      >>> Here is a conversation I had with someone in a newsgroup
>      >>>
>      >>> They can mandate better fuel effecincy
>      >>>>
>      >>>> They have done this on a phased in basis.  The only way to make
> huge
>      >>>> gains
>      >>>> in technology is if the consumer funds it by buying it.  No
> other
> way
>      >>>> can
>      >>>> generate the cash needed for significant large scale
> improvements.
>      >>> No other way? The hope ws that the gov would increase the
> mandatory
>      >>> miles
>      >>> per gallon all future cars needed to have I  think .
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>> better mix of corn or ethanol
>      >>>>
>      >>>> New cars are already mandated to be compatible with such fuels.
>      >>>> However,
>      >>>> very few gas stations carry it.  Again, it has to be consumer
> driven to
>      >>>> get stations to want to install it.  If its mandated and
> consumers
>      >>>> won't
>      >>>> pay it guess what happens?
>      >>>
>      >>> . Its mixed in already? Whats the problem?  What consumers have
>      >>> objected?
>      >>> Now its possible the costs might have  rises since this
> alternative has
>      >>> become
>      >>> available and gas prices has fallen, but perhaps this is why gas
> prices
>      >>> have
>      >>> fallen. Two good reasons to keep adding this to the fuel.:
> Cleaner
>      >>> burning
>      >>> and
>      >>>  lower prices, a no brainer.
>      >>> They just need to mix more of it..
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>>>, faster clean up of  smoke stack pollution standards
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Already mandated in a phased in plan.  So I assume you want that
>      >>>> phasing
>      >>>> sped up.  How much does your plan cost?
>      >>> Do you know how much pollution costs in lost productivity and ill
> health
>      >>> in  peoples lives?
>      >>> Seriously, if we are not being told of the consequences or the
> levels of
>      >>> pollution, I
>      >>> don't think you can know of the true costs  and effects pollution
> has on
>      >>> people in lost
>      >>> health and productivity .  This is where progressive governments
> differ
>      >>> then
>      >>> ours and its because the people in charge often  has a mindset of
> doing
>      >>> more for alternaties and not defaulting with the status quo with
> oil
>      >>> paying
>      >>> for campaigns over  lives of its people. Just because it may not
> affect
>      >>> you
>      >>> now or yet don't mean its not affecting others big time like me
> or
>      >>> others.
>      >>> .
>      >>> Global warming is a huge issue around the world and again the
> people in
>      >>> the Bush
>      >>> administration don't want to do its part in even accepting part
> of
> Kyoto
>      >>> treaty . As the true costs of this one sided reliance on oil and
>      >>> production
>      >>> companies take its toll, people will die and other countries will
> make
>      >>> changes faster. . T he cost  in cleaning up our environment  now,
> is
>      >>> minimal
>      >>> compared to lost productivity but to be honest if we are fighting
> to
>      >>> stop
>      >>> terror, trying to protect our people from lost longevity and
> illness
>      >>> from
>      >>> pollution when
>      >>> experts say its possible, should at least be just as
> important..Like I
>      >>> said
>      >>> the overall effects from this toxic poisoning is clearly not
> evident  or
>      >>> being told , to the
>      >>> public and many people don't have the time to wait for ever
> increasing
>      >>> lethal associations and studies to sure to come. , but from the
> way all
>      >>> the damages are NOT neatly put
>      >>> together and packaged like our concerns with  someone in office
> having
>      >>> sex
>      >>> or  bad spinanch or even smoking, one wonders why not the same
> concern
>      >>> for
>      >>> this important happening. I can tell you what they are hiding,
> our
>      >>> dependence on this is
>      >>> without any doubt causing tens of thousands of deaths and illness
> that
>      >>> would
>      >>> make all terror look like a picnic. . Almost whatever  costs  to
> clean
>      >>> up
>      >>> pollution now and in the future is a win win scenario down the
> line. The
>      >>> problem is you don't want to promote the tests to find out how
> much is
>      >>> being
>      >>> lost do you now? . The potential or real loss in productivity and
> value
>      >>> for
>      >>> years of life is huge  compared to  the / value energy companies
> save in
>      >>> doing it piece meal slowly . I thought the govt was here to
> protect its
>      >>> citizens not poison them and protect the people who paid for
> their
>      >>> campaigns! In my mind this is one reason why the poor can't make
> the
>      >>> proper
>      >>> choices, why people do the wrong things, because we don't have a
> govt
>      >>> that
>      >>> sponsers the right values. ....the money now to clean the smoke
>      >>> stacks.faster is money used for the right things.  . The problem
> is they
>      >>> are
>      >>> hiding the damages, the studies have not been made to show why
> cleaning
>      >>> up
>      >>> the stacks are important,  and govt incredibly enough knows about
> it but
>      >>> does not want to do more. For many govts around the world
> theydon't have
>      >>> the
>      >>> impetus or money to sponser alternatives faster but we do. Some
> of
> the
>      >>> smartest people in the world has said we are killing the planet.
> If the
>      >>> studies were made to show the true consequences and people were
> told
>      >>> they
>      >>> were dying years if not decades sooner because of this poison
> there
>      >>> would
>      >>> be
>      >>> more emphasis in trying to eradicate the causes faster because
> afterall
>      >>> we
>      >>> are the richest or one of the richest nations on earth. We can
> send
>      >>> people
>      >>> in billion dollar space stations but allow the slaughter of its
> people
>      >>> because energy companies fuel the people in powers campaign .. A
> crime
>      >>> of
>      >>> mass proportion and like Terrorism , they will have to answer to
> this
>      >>> someday...because when we do the wrong things it connects to
> doing
> the
>      >>> wrong
>      >>> things in other ways. Finally I am not an expert in indentifying
> how we
>      >>> are
>      >>> suppose to deal with global warming but it doesn't take a brain
>      >>> scientists
>      >>> if you had to breathe this air everyday ) to know someone should
>      >>> immediately
>      >>> do more to stop the poisoning of its people that these toxics are
> most
>      >>> assuredly doing.To do otherwise is allowing holocausts to go on
> thats
>      >>> how
>      >>> sure I am of the damages and consequences...
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>> If the studies don't
>      >>>>> conclusively prove it  now, it can be proved. Anyone want to
> see
> my
>      >>>>> accumulated soot and black soot accumulated via a furnance
> filter from
>      >>>>> only
>      >>>>> 25 days of living in moderate
>      >>>>> amounts of particulates/.I dare anyone to compare our peoples
> overall
>      >>>>> health
>      >>>>> to those in clean  areas who ate the same things.Its like
> living
> in
>      >>>>> two
>      >>>>> different centuries, one with more health and optimism and the
> other
>      >>>>> mean,
>      >>>>> dependent on medications and hospitals, crime cyniscim  and ill
>      >>>>> health.
>      >>>>> But
>      >>>>> its the  condition of health between the two different peoples,
> that
>      >>>>> would
>      >>>>> show
>      >>>>> that polluters and govt policy is allowing the  murdering of
> families
>      >>>>> or
>      >>>>> cutting short their lives or health and  nothing  is being done
> to
>      >>>>> protect
>      >>>>> them equally!
>      >>>>> I
>      >>>>> can think of ten more tests to prove it.,\
>      >>>>> Please send my following opinion and links to real facts to
> your
>      >>>>> Congressman
>      >>>>> and ask how the greatest country in the world can get away with
>      >>>>> poisoning
>      >>>>> inner city youth and millions of people without a thing done to
>      >>>>> protect
>      >>>>> them.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Is it possible?
>      >>>>> Mr. Bush get a clue, side with safety , not poisoning people.
>      >>>>> Coming back from , Boston or New York I am often taken back and
> my
>      >>>>> lungs
>      >>>>> constrict as I head
>      >>>>> to Philly yet no one cares. This is totally involuntary reflex
> due the
>      >>>>> poisons. Can you imagine families having to put up with this
> for
>      >>>>> decades
>      >>>>> and
>      >>>>> it affects another area of their body , one not so obvious?
>      >>>>> Ok? Now you or anyone tell me why this isn't the most important
> things
>      >>>>> in
>      >>>>> people lives right now... MASS MURDER by oil , coal and car
> companies
>      >>>>> and
>      >>>>> who will ever compensate those that will lose their health and
> lives
>      >>>>> and
>      >>>>> fiances to it? There are many many ways to prove all this
> beyond
> the
>      >>>>> few
>      >>>>> studies on web and epa findings and American Lung Associations
> ratings
>      >>>>> of
>      >>>>> F.
>      >>>>> Where are the attorneys? Why isn't more being done. What I do
> hear is
>      >>>>> its
>      >>>>> not as bad as it once was, and its a beautiful day , and 23
> different
>      >>>>> medications to treat sleep disorders and asthma and allergy
> after they
>      >>>>> poison you .We get commercials for inhalers and oxygen and not
> a
> worry
>      >>>>> in
>      >>>>> the
>      >>>>> world why people age and die faster in these polluted hell
> holes
> ..
>      >>>>> <info@economicdemocracy.org> wrote in message
>      >>>>> news:1158681407.782351.246170@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>      >>>>> The denial industry
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> For years, a network of fake citizens' groups and bogus
> scientific
>      >>>>> bodies has been claiming that science of global warming is
>      >>>>> inconclusive. They set back action on climate change by a
> decade. But
>      >>>>> who funded them? Exxon's involvement is well known, but not the
>      >>>>> strange
>      >>>>> role of Big Tobacco. In the first of three extracts from his
> new
> book,
>      >>>>> George Monbiot tells a bizarre and shocking new story
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Tuesday September 19, 2006
>      >>>>> The Guardian
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Exxon station in California
>      >>>>> 'The impacts of the climate-change deniers sponsored by Exxon
> have
>      >>>>> been
>      >>>>> felt all over the world.' Photograph: AP
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> ExxonMobil is the world's most profitable corporation. Its
> sales
> now
>      >>>>> amount to more than $1bn a day. It makes most of this money
> from
> oil,
>      >>>>> and has more to lose than any other company from efforts to
> tackle
>      >>>>> climate change. To safeguard its profits, ExxonMobil needs to
> sow
>      >>>>> doubt
>      >>>>> about whether serious action needs to be taken on climate
> change. But
>      >>>>> there are difficulties: it must confront a scientific consensus
> as
>      >>>>> strong as that which maintains that smoking causes lung cancer
> or that
>      >>>>> HIV causes Aids. So what's its strategy?
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Article continues
>      >>>>> The website Exxonsecrets.org, using data found in the company's
>      >>>>> official documents, lists 124 organisations that have taken
> money from
>      >>>>> the company or work closely with those that have. These
> organisations
>      >>>>> take a consistent line on climate change: that the science is
>      >>>>> contradictory, the scientists are split, environmentalists are
>      >>>>> charlatans, liars or lunatics, and if governments took action
> to
>      >>>>> prevent global warming, they would be endangering the global
> economy
>      >>>>> for no good reason. The findings these organisations dislike
> are
>      >>>>> labelled "junk science". The findings they welcome are labelled
> "sound
>      >>>>> science".
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Among the organisations that have been funded by Exxon are such
>      >>>>> well-known websites and lobby groups as TechCentralStation, the
> Cato
>      >>>>> Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Some of those on the
> list
> have
>      >>>>> names that make them look like grassroots citizens'
> organisations or
>      >>>>> academic bodies: the Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and
> Global
>      >>>>> Change, for example. One or two of them, such as the Congress
> of
>      >>>>> Racial
>      >>>>> Equality, are citizens' organisations or academic bodies, but
> the line
>      >>>>> they take on climate change is very much like that of the other
>      >>>>> sponsored groups. While all these groups are based in America,
> their
>      >>>>> publications are read and cited, and their staff are
> interviewed
> and
>      >>>>> quoted, all over the world.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> By funding a large number of organisations, Exxon helps to
> create the
>      >>>>> impression that doubt about climate change is widespread. For
> those
>      >>>>> who
>      >>>>> do not understand that scientific findings cannot be trusted if
> they
>      >>>>> have not appeared in peer-reviewed journals, the names of these
>      >>>>> institutes help to suggest that serious researchers are
> challenging
>      >>>>> the
>      >>>>> consensus.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> This is not to claim that all the science these groups champion
> is
>      >>>>> bogus. On the whole, they use selection, not invention. They
> will find
>      >>>>> one contradictory study - such as the discovery of tropospheric
>      >>>>> cooling, which, in a garbled form, has been used by Peter
> Hitchens in
>      >>>>> the Mail on Sunday - and promote it relentlessly. They will
> continue
>      >>>>> to
>      >>>>> do so long after it has been disproved by further work. So, for
>      >>>>> example, John Christy, the author of the troposphere paper,
> admitted
>      >>>>> in
>      >>>>> August 2005 that his figures were incorrect, yet his initial
> findings
>      >>>>> are still being circulated and championed by many of these
> groups, as
>      >>>>> a
>      >>>>> quick internet search will show you.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> But they do not stop there. The chairman of a group called the
> Science
>      >>>>> and Environmental Policy Project is Frederick Seitz. Seitz is a
>      >>>>> physicist who in the 1960s was president of the US National
> Academy of
>      >>>>> Sciences. In 1998, he wrote a document, known as the Oregon
> Petition,
>      >>>>> which has been cited by almost every journalist who claims that
>      >>>>> climate
>      >>>>> change is a myth.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>> Mass poisoning of people makes 9/11 look like a picnic and
> Bush
> is
>      >>>>>> one
>      >>>>>> link or cause
>      >>>>>> of
>      >>>>>> it. We can do moe now, we don't have to pretend we don't know
> of the
>      >>>>>> damage.Some people cared like Christie Whitman and Al Gore and
> others
>      >>>>>> looked away and even promoted this murder policy that is going
> on.
>      >>>>>> Its
>      >>>>>> the point that we know all this, can do more and still don't
>      >>>>>> that really gets to me on top of the physical discomfort of
> being
>      >>>>>> choked
>      >>>>>> with asthma only on these days and those days are numerous.
>      >>>>>> I live it every year in this helll hole. Where over 100 days
> so
> far
>      >>>>>> with
>      >>>>>> air
>      >>>>>> out of the good zone. Where my lungs constrict,. where peoples
>      >>>>>> atttiudes
>      >>>>>> are
>      >>>>>> rotten, where drinking and drugging might be appropriate
> response to
>      >>>>>> being
>      >>>>>> poisoned, many are jobless and mean spirited  then they tell
> you
>      >>>>>> about
>      >>>>>> our
>      >>>>>> crime rate that keeps increasing, but no links to pollution!
> We
>      >>>>>> are being poisoned. If your not affected and many aren't ,
> please
>      >>>>>> realize
>      >>>>>> many others are.  So many things are affected negatively and
> the best
>      >>>>>> and
>      >>>>>> brightest in news and politicians ignore it. They rather talk
> about
>      >>>>>> Iraq.
>      >>>>>> Let me tell you something this poisoning makes Iraq and 9/11
> look
>      >>>>>> like
>      >>>>>> a
>      >>>>>> picnic and its because of the oil, and energy lobby and car
>      >>>>>> companies.
>      >>>>>> They
>      >>>>>> all are going about telling you of changes but chances are for
> too
>      >>>>>> many
>      >>>>>> people it will be too late....
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> >
>      >>>>>>>>>>Of course they are. Pollution is by definition poison.
> That's the
>      >>>>>>>>>>problem
>      >>>>>>> with pollution, it poisons people. DUH!
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Yes but how many people think pollution might have caused
> their
>      >>>>>>> relatives
>      >>>>>>> death? Affected their life span ?  Chances are not many and
> chances
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> ,
>      >>>>>>> at least in my town, they should assume that. So many days
> the
> air
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> horrific here and not a thing said or done. I have been in
> other
>      >>>>>>> places
>      >>>>>>> with clean air and its like living in two different centuries
>      >>>>>>> almost.
>      >>>>>>> Attitudes, crime,  health and total costs for health are or
> might be
>      >>>>>>> different.But most important the actual lives of peoples
> health are
>      >>>>>>> different and many ways to prove it. SSssssssssssoooo many
> people
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> losing their life and age and health to pollution and built
> up
> of
>      >>>>>>> gasses
>      >>>>>>> compared to others its almost unbelievable.
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> We have a street around here called Street Road and come rush
> hour
>      >>>>>> this
>      >>>>>> is
>      >>>>>> life a ten mile polluted town akin probably to most polluted
> places
>      >>>>>> in
>      >>>>>> Asia.
>      >>>>>> All one might have to do is see how the people who work on
> this
>      >>>>>> street
>      >>>>>> has
>      >>>>>> been affected compared to those in clean air to know what kind
> of
>      >>>>>> poison
>      >>>>>> people are getting. Not all poisons are equally venomous.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>> Maybe you or your friends are old looking and your friend
> didn't die
>      >>>>>> from
>      >>>>>> old age, they died
>      >>>>>> earlier because of wrongrace, or where you lived and died
> because
>      >>>>>> Bush
>      >>>>>> didn't
>      >>>>>> care one iota for your health , and in fact can be argued is
>      >>>>>> contributing
>      >>>>>> to
>      >>>>>> you and your families ill health and death...I can argue the
>      >>>>>> democrats
>      >>>>>> didn't care either but we know more now, anyone can add up the
>      >>>>>> objective
>      >>>>>> data. Anyone can add up the number of prescription for asthma
> meds
>      >>>>>> and
>      >>>>>> compare the stats by area. Anyone can compare the state of
> health
>      >>>>>> between
>      >>>>>> people who live in polluted areas and those that don't. The
> studies
>      >>>>>> so
>      >>>>>> far
>      >>>>>> are dim for the people in the NE being poisoned. Everyone
> should be
>      >>>>>> on
>      >>>>>> some kind of disability if I am any example of how this toxic
> air
>      >>>>>> affects
>      >>>>>> one over time , the head of the EPA thinks is acceptable but
>      >>>>>> practically
>      >>>>>> ever other expert from his own agency doesn't. How can I give
> this
>      >>>>>> jerk
>      >>>>>> the same choking that he allows me to get? Where people are
> being
>      >>>>>> poisoned
>      >>>>>> and made to die decades earlier because of Bushs policies?
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101616.html
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>                     EPA Reports 6 out of every 10 homes are
> sick.
>      >>>>>>>  a.. Strong new evidence suggests that air pollution emitted
> by
>      >>>>>>> power
>      >>>>>>> plants and vehicles
>      >>>>>>>  across the US raises the risk of lung disease, according to
> a
> study
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> Journal of
>      >>>>>>>  the American Medical Association.
>      >>>>>>>  b.. The air inside your home may be 5 times more polluted
> than the
>      >>>>>>> air
>      >>>>>>> outside, according
>      >>>>>>>  to the EPA.
>      >>>>>>>  c.. More than 1/2 of the US population is breathing
> unhealthy
>      >>>>>>> amounts
>      >>>>>>> of
>      >>>>>>> air pollution
>      >>>>>>>  according to the American Lung Association's State of the
> Air,
>      >>>>>>> 2002.
>      >>>>>>>  d.. 40-50 million Americans suffer from allergies and 17
> million
>      >>>>>>> battle
>      >>>>>>> asthma.
>      >>>>>>>  e.. Virus, fungus, bacteria and hundreds of other germs are
> carried
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> air at all times.
>      >>>>>>>  While inhaled into the lungs, germs can cause cold, flu,
> pneumonia
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> other respiratory infections. When these germs lodge in your
> lungs,
>      >>>>>>> your
>      >>>>>>> breathing can be disrupted
>      >>>>>>>  and you can become ill. American Lung Association
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> there are a few associations between politics and asthma
> which
> yout
>      >>>>>>> wo
>      >>>>>>> seem
>      >>>>>>> to take issue about the most when I associate the idea. even
>      >>>>>>> thoughyou
>      >>>>>>> don't
>      >>>>>>> read my posts. Here are a few other ideas: Pollution is one
> of
> the
>      >>>>>>> most
>      >>>>>>> important but often overlooked causes of ill health. If you
> were to
>      >>>>>>> ask
>      >>>>>>> people what werethe causes of your relatives death few would
> say
>      >>>>>>> pollution
>      >>>>>>> but yet that isexactly what might have been a major
> contributor. I
>      >>>>>>> think
>      >>>>>>> people have toldme they came away thinking differently about
> asthma
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> pollution and illhealth after reading my posts. People might
> know of
>      >>>>>>> pollutions consequencesbut most people don't know their
> cities
> air
>      >>>>>>> ratings
>      >>>>>>> or how it pertains tooverall health. If I can promote people
> to be
>      >>>>>>> educated
>      >>>>>>> about one of the mostimportant factors in their health in
> life, then
>      >>>>>>> I
>      >>>>>>> can
>      >>>>>>> take the criticismsfrom people like you who obviously feel a
> bit
>      >>>>>>> threatened
>      >>>>>>> by information thatyou can't contribute. . I may post allot
> and its
>      >>>>>>> because
>      >>>>>>> the news media willnot go over the issue of pollution and the
>      >>>>>>> consequences
>      >>>>>>> and this will keeppeople a, uneducated about political
> changes, and
>      >>>>>>> b,
>      >>>>>>> uneducated aboutchoices where to live and how to find better
>      >>>>>>> conditions
>      >>>>>>> of
>      >>>>>>> air for theirfamily."mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>      >>>>>>> news:fAXRg.2620$422.457@trnddc03...> yes, but do you realize
> one in
>      >>>>>>> five
>      >>>>>>> kids in NE states has asthma in some> places? They didn't
> have
>      >>>>>>> anything
>      >>>>>>> wrong with em.... the trees are dying> here, in droves, I
>      >>>>>>> automatically
>      >>>>>>> can't breath in moderate particulates,and> our news says
> polluted
>      >>>>>>> days
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> beautiful and their commericals are paidfor> by 34 different
>      >>>>>>> companies
>      >>>>>>> that
>      >>>>>>> tout drugs to treat you after they poison> you. If you think
> the
>      >>>>>>> goal
>      >>>>>>> for
>      >>>>>>> people to have jobs at poisoning the planet> and expense is
> business
>      >>>>>>> as
>      >>>>>>> it
>      >>>>>>> should be, better guess again or volunteerto> take our place
> while
>      >>>>>>> we
>      >>>>>>> live
>      >>>>>>> in Hawaii or at the ranch far away from> motorists and
> crime...> The
>      >>>>>>> stats
>      >>>>>>> say pollution kills and I say its underreported of the
> dangers.>
>      >>>>>>> When
>      >>>>>>> I
>      >>>>>>> first started people said I was crazy , global warming isn't
> true.>
>      >>>>>>> Guess
>      >>>>>>> what , if people knew that the biggest single reason for
>      >>>>>>> illnesswhen>
>      >>>>>>> everything else like diet and addictions were the same is
>      >>>>>>> pollution,people>
>      >>>>>>> might be singing a different
>      >>>>>>>
> tune.>>>>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk>>>
>      >>>>>>> some people think more people are being murdered by polluters
>      >>>>>>> then>>>
>      >>>>>>> murder, 9/11 and Iraq combined. Not only do longevity studies
> prove
>      >>>>>>> when>>>
>      >>>>>>> every thing else is the same , like diet and addiction
> levels,
>      >>>>>>> pollution>>>
>      >>>>>>> levels and amount of days an areas  t=that gets moderate or
>      >>>>>>> worseparticulates  is>>> the defining factor in contributing
> to
>      >>>>>>> lower
>      >>>>>>> longevity,>>> but many studies have showed cause and
> effect.When
>      >>>>>>> everything
>      >>>>>>> is similar>>> such as>>> diet and addiction, the defining
> factor for
>      >>>>>>> longevity seems to be how>>> close>>> people live to
> pollutants and
>      >>>>>>> how
>      >>>>>>> often. The associations between>>> pollution>>> and ill
> health
> are
>      >>>>>>> out
>      >>>>>>> there, but our news and politicians don't care>>> except>>>
> for
>      >>>>>>> Arnold
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> NY. mayor. More studies can be done and I could volunteermany
> types
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> how
>      >>>>>>> they can be done but I know what the result would show,the
> oil
> and
>      >>>>>>> energy
>      >>>>>>> crew don't want to know the truth . I am being charged upto
> 59
>      >>>>>>> dollars
>      >>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>> month for the right to use gas even if I don't use it. Canyou
>      >>>>>>> imagine
>      >>>>>>> what
>      >>>>>>> the conservatives would be screaming if someone chargedthem
> 59
>      >>>>>>> dollars
>      >>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>> month for something they don't use? Only in America canenergy
> get
>      >>>>>>> special
>      >>>>>>> treatment, poison you, made to pay more for it thenanything
> else
>      >>>>>>> combined
>      >>>>>>> and after they poison you, they cover it up and youcan't sue
> em...
>      >>>>>>> Oil
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> old energy people and Johnson from EPA>>> and Republicans are
> in
>      >>>>>>> power
>      >>>>>>> with
>      >>>>>>> a>>> mandate  knowing  people cant seem to  sue them and
> those
>      >>>>>>> people
>      >>>>>>> say>>> pollution and>>> its negative effects is not proven to
> prop
>      >>>>>>> up
>      >>>>>>> their
>      >>>>>>> energy supporterswho>>> gain billions, at your healths and
> families
>      >>>>>>> expense
>      >>>>>>> and this ispatronage and favoritism and wait, its at your>>>
> healths
>      >>>>>>> expense. This is MURDER . Where is expectation  of
> protectionfrom
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> epa
>      >>>>>>> who>>> disagrees with Johnson on this issue , or isn't govt
> is
> here
>      >>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>> protectcitizens>>> equally/ Not in Bushs or Johnsons or
> Republicans
>      >>>>>>> MURDER
>      >>>>>>> the people who>>> don't know world.This is domestic
> terrorism.
> Don't
>      >>>>>>> think
>      >>>>>>> so trybreathing this for fifty years. look at my filters for
> one
>      >>>>>>> month,
>      >>>>>>> get
>      >>>>>>> intothis area of moderate pollution for 100 plus days a year
> and see
>      >>>>>>> how
>      >>>>>>> ittakes its tolls . Do a study. see how those closest to the
>      >>>>>>> pollution
>      >>>>>>> diesalmost 15 years sooner and those that don't have they
> tested
>      >>>>>>> their
>      >>>>>>> overallhealth compared to places with little or no pollution?
> I will
>      >>>>>>> tell
>      >>>>>>> you theresults. there are huge differences in attitudes, in
> health ,
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> optimismand even crime sometimes. all because of pollution
> levels.
>      >>>>>>> If
>      >>>>>>> republicansare poisoning people and not doing anything about
> it,
>      >>>>>>> this
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> murder...>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html>>>
>      >>>>>>> There
>      >>>>>>> are many other studies to show cause and effect and
> morecould>>> be
>      >>>>>>> had
>      >>>>>>> but
>      >>>>>>> you can't sue the bastards so don't expect to see
> thestudies..>>>
>      >>>>>>> This
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>> democracy? Poor being>>> poisoned, rich many living 14 years
> longer
>      >>>>>>> then
>      >>>>>>> others cause they arerich>>> and not near the pollution, the
> rest
>      >>>>>>> near
>      >>>>>>> polluters deal with it. Payfor>>> your lost health and
> medication so
>      >>>>>>> polluters make billions.Its not likewe>>> can't do more and
> we
> will
>      >>>>>>> leave
>      >>>>>>> ourselves vulnerable. All we are asking>>> for>>> is making
> changes
>      >>>>>>> that
>      >>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>> available today faster!>>>>>>      Just moderate amounts of
> this
>      >>>>>>> poison
>      >>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> killing and hurtingamericans>>> and your families.... right
> now and
>      >>>>>>> this
>      >>>>>>> much I promise is true. The>>> latest longevity study shows
> that
>      >>>>>>> some
>      >>>>>>> people
>      >>>>>>> are living up to 14 years>>> longer and often the best
> longevity is
>      >>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>> rich
>      >>>>>>> places in clean air.Clean>>> and dirty air in the longevity
> study
>      >>>>>>> recently
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>forget about record number of asthma, forget illness we are
> talking
>      >>>>>>>death
>      >>>>>>>> by
>      >>>>>>>> pollution
>      >>>>>>>> in addition to all the links I gave before  and are
> available
> on
>      >>>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>>> net
>      >>>>>>>>> with the associationg of  death and ill health to
> pollution,
> the
>      >>>>>>>>> new
>      >>>>>>>>> longevity study by state
>      >>>>>>>>> shows that pollution is a factor in determning old age too
> in some
>      >>>>>>>>> if
>      >>>>>>>>> not
>      >>>>>>>>> all places although the study authors didn't directly
> mention
>      >>>>>>>>> pollution..
>      >>>>>>>>> (how convenient)
>      >>>>>>>>> The study conveniently left out pollution as a factor .This
> is
>      >>>>>>>>> such
>      >>>>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>>>> giant conspiracy to not tell people i think its absolutely
>      >>>>>>>>> criminal
>      >>>>>>>>> .
>      >>>>>>>>> I
>      >>>>>>>>> think
>      >>>>>>>>> lawyers can add this study to the ammunition they already
> could
>      >>>>>>>>> get
>      >>>>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>>>> show
>      >>>>>>>>> pollution is associated to added risk of death and ill
> health.
>      >>>>>>>>> There
>      >>>>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>>>> not
>      >>>>>>>>> a place that has high amount of particle pollution with
> people who
>      >>>>>>>>> live
>      >>>>>>>>> on
>      >>>>>>>>> average the longest. In fact your more likely to not live
> longest
>      >>>>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>>>> live
>      >>>>>>>>> shorter lives when you get high particulates and or ozone
> and
>      >>>>>>>>> everything
>      >>>>>>>>> else in polluted and non polluted  areas are
>      >>>>>>>>> the same like diet and rates of addiction (thats my
> theory),
> so
>      >>>>>>>>> now
>      >>>>>>>>> what?
>      >>>>>>>>> If someone were to tell you or your family were going to
> loseup to
>      >>>>>>>>> five
>      >>>>>>>>> years of life  or a decade or more  for something you had
> no
>      >>>>>>>>> control
>      >>>>>>>>> of,
>      >>>>>>>>> or because of
>      >>>>>>>>> where you lived would you or should you
>      >>>>>>>>> be concerned? Should  you be warned? Should we have
> politicians or
>      >>>>>>>>> gov
>      >>>>>>>>> policy
>      >>>>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>>>> protect you or families equally with expectations to live
> without
>      >>>>>>>>> undue
>      >>>>>>>>> risks?  should people in the US expect with their tax
> dollars,
>      >>>>>>>>> that
>      >>>>>>>>> they
>      >>>>>>>>> be warned of risks of bodily harm,  or  probabe cause  of
> imminent
>      >>>>>>>>> dangers Well
>      >>>>>>>>> that is exactly what is not  happening and no one is
> warning
> you.
>      >>>>>>>>> Its
>      >>>>>>>>> ok
>      >>>>>>>>> to murder
>      >>>>>>>>> people so it seems as long as you can't sue the people who
> are
>      >>>>>>>>> murdering
>      >>>>>>>>> you.  and or your too poor to care or know your being
> poisoned
>      >>>>>>>>> .When
>      >>>>>>>>> cigarette companies and people who make errant products can
> be
>      >>>>>>>>> sued even though the people often had a choice its one
> thing. With
>      >>>>>>>>> energy
>      >>>>>>>>> companies or car companies, and  govt, that often sets
> amount of
>      >>>>>>>>> pollution, people down wind
>      >>>>>>>>> have no choices. people and companies profitting at
> someones
>      >>>>>>>>> health
>      >>>>>>>>> expense should not be allowed until provisions are made so
>      >>>>>>>>> companies
>      >>>>>>>>> have to reduce the factors that increase the risks of
> pollution
>      >>>>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>>>> ill
>      >>>>>>>>> health ...   everyone should be protected equally
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>  Not only that, how long you live by state is often
>      >>>>>>>>> diffused by not showing how long you might live in the most
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted
>      >>>>>>>>> cities in that state. Often the difference of only 40 miles
> could
>      >>>>>>>>> be
>      >>>>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>>>> difference between living years longer or not.  ( for
> instance NJ
>      >>>>>>>>> is
>      >>>>>>>>> a
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted state but there are areas in NJ that get overall
> good air
>      >>>>>>>>> near
>      >>>>>>>>> the sea and asian women with good families and no bad
> habits
>      >>>>>>>>> living
>      >>>>>>>>> long
>      >>>>>>>>> time  show that) By and large if you live in
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted city like Camden Washington dc and you do or don't
> have
>      >>>>>>>>> other
>      >>>>>>>>> risk factors, do you know which one is more likely to kill
> you
>      >>>>>>>>> faster?
>      >>>>>>>>> for
>      >>>>>>>>> oil , coal and energy ., THE DEFINING FACTOR IS POLLUTION
> in
>      >>>>>>>>> poisoning
>      >>>>>>>>> people and shortening their life and your not told.  The
> sad
> facts
>      >>>>>>>>> are
>      >>>>>>>>> more can be done NOW but isn't.
>      >>>>>>>>> Tens of thousands are losing up to decade of life but news
> would
>      >>>>>>>>> rather
>      >>>>>>>>> tell you about Britney Spears or a way in Iraq where one
> tenth as
>      >>>>>>>>> many
>      >>>>>>>>> people are dying, except here no one has a choice in
> accepting
>      >>>>>>>>> these
>      >>>>>>>>> toxins.
>      >>>>>>>>> .Of course the issue of condition of health is not even
> factored
>      >>>>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>>>> either
>      >>>>>>>>> like the rate of cancer or asthma. If the studies were made
> that
>      >>>>>>>>> compared
>      >>>>>>>>> the health of people who ate the same rather healthy diet
> but one
>      >>>>>>>>> lived
>      >>>>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>>>> polluted city and one didn't that difference would show
> cause and
>      >>>>>>>>> effect.
>      >>>>>>>>> People are being poisoned in many cities in NE and SE and
> these
>      >>>>>>>>> longevity
>      >>>>>>>>> studies adds to the proof.
>      >>>>>>>>> This longevity study should add fuel to the fire that first
> poor
>      >>>>>>>>> people
>      >>>>>>>>> in the cities offer suffer significantly more dealth and
> illness (
>      >>>>>>>>> addictions aside) then rich people in clean areas . Up to
> ten
>      >>>>>>>>> years
>      >>>>>>>>> more.
>      >>>>>>> Any people rich or poor living downwind from pollution are
>      >>>>>>> decreasing
>      >>>>>>> their average life span ... how much so still needs to be
>      >>>>>>> determining
>      >>>>>>> according to particulate and ozone level. In fact of all risk
>      >>>>>>> factors
>      >>>>>>> pollution might be the most important or as important as the
> other
>      >>>>>>> major
>      >>>>>>> risk factors like smoking and poor diet. If we are poisoning
> people
>      >>>>>>> ,
>      >>>>>>> why
>      >>>>>>> should we complain when they rob and shoot you when they
> couldn't be
>      >>>>>>> well
>      >>>>>>> enough to make the right choices?
>      >>>>>>> I saw a show on Britney Spears and we see the importance of
> wars in
>      >>>>>>> Iraq,
>      >>>>>>> we are told of recalls of errant car seat
>      >>>>>>> yet this issue is affecting tens of millions  of little boys
> and
>      >>>>>>> girls
>      >>>>>>> and
>      >>>>>>> families and the press is silent.. That little girl with
> cancer
>      >>>>>>> might
>      >>>>>>> have
>      >>>>>>> gotten cancer simply because her little body could not have
> absorbed
>      >>>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> toxins around her.
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>We talk about black people in poverty and our young getting
> fat but
>      >>>>>>>>the
>      >>>>>>>>incredible thing is even if they wanted to do better they
> might not
>      >>>>>>>>be
>      >>>>>>>>able! becayse we are dosing them with black lungs and
> polluted
>      >>>>>>>>bodies.
>      >>>>>>>>You try living in this poison for 39 years. Anyone can see
> what kind
>      >>>>>>>>of dirt is coming into my filter every 20 days, just mulitply
> that
>      >>>>>>>>by
>      >>>>>>>>years.....
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>Here is a nother links
>
>
>      "WHO calls for improved air quality, says pollution kills 2 million
>      each year", Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, October 5, 2006,
>      Link: http://www.cbc.ca/cp/health/061005/x100522.html
>
>      The World Health Organization called on governments Thursday to
> improve
>      air quality in their cities, saying air pollution prematurely kills
> two
>      million people a year, with more than half the deaths in developing
>      countries.
>
>      Reducing pollution from particles that are too small to be filtered
> in
>      the nose and throat and settle in the lungs could save as many as
>      300,000 lives every year, according to a statement issued by the
> WHO's
>      regional office in Manila.
>
>      Reducing levels of those extremely small particles - caused primarily
>      by the burning of fossil and other types of fuel - could cut the
> deaths
>      from air pollution by about 15 per cent, said Maria Neira, the WHO
>      director for public health and the environment.
>
>      It also could cut the global burden of disease from respiratory
>      infections, heart disease and lung cancer, she said.
>
>      Particulate matter pollution is considered the biggest health risk.
> But
>      the WHO Air Quality Guidelines also recommended lowering the daily
>      allowed limits for ozone.
>
>      That represents a challenge especially for developing countries with
>      numerous sunny days when ozone concentrations reach the highest
> levels,
>      causing respiratory problems and asthma attacks, WHO said. The
>      guidelines also cut the sulfur dioxide limits.
>
>      Many countries around the world do not have regulations for air
>      pollution, which makes control virtually impossible.
>
>      WHO said the new guidelines, which were established after worldwide
>      consultation with more than 80 leading scientists, provide the basis
>      for all countries to build their own air quality standards and
> policies
>      supporting health.
>
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