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2 total messages Started by Arthur Mariano Thu, 08 Oct 1992 15:26
Re: Spectrum of gappy data
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Author: Arthur Mariano
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 15:26
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In article <1at2faINN9he@network.ucsd.edu>jasmith@ucsd.edu (jerry smith)
writes : 
> .....
>Covariance-based methods are often referred to as "auto-regressive"
models
>(or AR-spectra;  I can't say why this name has stuck).  Marple reviews
the
>relative advantages of AR versus "periodogram" (fft) and a few others
>(e.g.  Proni's method).
> .....
I would not use AR methods on many oceanographic data sets. AR methods
work well for relatively high resolution detection of close peaks.
For instance, identifying both a tidal and an inertial peak in data
collected at mid-latitudes. An AR(1) filter or Markov model can either
act as a high or low pass filter, while an AR(2m) model is used for
detecting m sinusoids. Many oceanographic data sets are red and have
significant energy in a broad mesoscale range. AR methods which use
the sample covariance/autocorrelation were not formulated for this
type of spectra. They work well in speech applications and for detecting
sinusoids in white noise. To quote from Thomson (1990), "If your
spectrum
estimate explicitly requires sample autocorrelations you are almost
certaintly doing something wrong." My suggestion is to read this
paper and his earlier work before you do anything.  cheers, arthur

Thomas, D.J., 1990: Quadratic-inverse spectrum estimates: applications
to palaeoclimatology, Phil. Trans. R. Soc. Lond., 332, 539-597.


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Re: Spectrum of gappy data
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Author: jerry smith
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 16:26
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In article <1992Oct8.152654.17216@news.miami.edu> Arthur Mariano, 
mariano@sgrmag.rsmas.miami.edu writes:
>An AR(1) filter or Markov model can either
>act as a high or low pass filter, while an AR(2m) model is used for
>detecting m sinusoids. Many oceanographic data sets are red and have
>significant energy in a broad mesoscale range. AR methods which use

I don't know why there is so much confusion about this.  The same is
true of the FFT.  The FFT of the covariances is identical to the squared
FFT of the time series, in the case of regularly spaced data.  This is
a mathematical identity.  However, when there are many gaps in the data,
it is still usually possible to form a "complete" set of covariances to
transform into a power spectrum.  (The number of degrees of freedom in
each estimate of the covariance varies according to the gaps, etc., so
there may be some subtleties in assigning confidence limits.)

For either approach, squaring the FFT of the timeseries or FFTing the 
covariances, it is probably wise to separate the mean and trend from
the data first.  Cheers,

	-jerry
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