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Article #134Re: Datacube
From: John C. Schultz
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:05
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:05
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In article <2768@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> mjb@mulka.ph.unimelb.edu.au (Michael Beeching) writes: ... 1 digimax - video acquisition and display module Simple board to program. Able to change output colors at frame rates (or better) and also inputs. TV RS170 (or equivalent PAL) only however. 3 roi boards - frame stores If you mean a FRAMESTORE board, the FRAMESTORE is simply 3 512 x 512 buffers which can store RS170 data. The FRAMESTORE is relatively easy to program. Switch between storage banks at frame rates to average. Just store the last image to get a nice difference operation. If you mean the ROISTORE (.5MB or 2MB) programming is a LOT harder. You not only have to control acquisition but also the data format, the length, the interleave (RS170) and the operation of an 8 way cross-bar switch. Relatively difficult, particularly for RS170. Accounting for processing delays is potentially easier but in practice more difficult - you always lose an edge of the image someplace. 2 max sp's - real time signal processing module MAXSP's are kind of cute. Use the FRAMESTORE to feed the current and the old image, add, right shift and you have what we call a "manager detector" - you have to be stationary for 5-10 seconds to "appear" on the display. Subtract the current and the previous image and you get an "engineer detector" - a motion detector. 1 feature max - feature list extractor and histogramming functions The featuremax is ralatively simple in concept but indecently difficult to get triggered correctly. Many bugs in these boards. Many versions. The best thing we found was to ignore single-shot mode and let it free-run and just stop it during vertical blanking. Histograms are pretty simple but the data needs to be formatted in software. Feature lists are limited by how much data you can read out during vertical blanking. It is faster to use the CPU to write 0's to the histogram than have the FEATUREMAX do it. (plus software and the max box they all go into :-) The software may or may not be worthwhile. MAXWARE was generally considered worthless because of bugs although some companies (Innovision perhaps?) fixed the bugs and got proprietary versions working. IMAGEFLOW is apparently much better but I have no first hand experience with that. We made our own environment for interactively programming the earlier boards as did most of the people using the early Datacube hardware. I am a decent programmer (well its about all I do all day) but I can't seem to get around to reading/understanding the manuals as I have never done anything of this nature before. (a fast approaching PhD due date doesn't help :-) At present the boards are used to simply grab images from a camera and then "real time" FFT's are performed (by an array processor not the datacube boards!) this seems like a bit of a waste, so any No way, no how do these boards do FFT's. Datacube made an abortive attempt at fast, general computational boards able to "do" FFT's with something called EUCLID - an ADSP 2100 advertised with a MAXVIDEO buffer. Not recommended but we have two if you are masochistic :-) info would be greatly appreciated. (I'd like to do some background subtraction and then some averaging of an input signal if you want some specifics!) Michael Should be pretty simple to do subtraction by piping the old (or a fixed stored) image to the MAXSP and the live image to the MAXSP and doing a SUBTRACT. Then you can store and/or display the subtracted image. If you only want a constant subtracted, the MAXSP will do that by itself. Averaging, as I mentioned, just recirculates through the FRAMESTORE using the MAXSP for addition and right shifts. The biggest conceptual problem with the MAXVIDEO cards is that timing is EVERYTHING. Programming is OK, but you have to get the timing correct so that the two desired pixels arrive at the adder (or whatever) at the same 10ns increment relative to the RS170 H and V timing. The easiest way with the older boards such as you have is to simply make a function which allows you interactive control of the delay lines and FRAMESTORE precess. Then adjust these interactively to get what you want. Hope this is somewhat helpful and not too discouraging. -- John C. Schultz +1 (612) 733-4047 schultz@halley.serc.3m.com How to include the taste of Glendronach in a multi-media system?
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Newsgroups: sci.image.processing Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!mmm.serc.3m.com!news From: schultz@halley.est.3m.com (John C. Schultz) Subject: Re: Datacube Message-ID: <SCHULTZ.92Jul21200306@halley.est.3m.com> In-reply-to: mjb@mulka.ph.unimelb.edu.au's message of 21 Jul 92 03:03:29 GMT Sender: news@mmm.serc.3m.com Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA References: <2768@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:05:28 GMT Lines: 89