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2 total messages Started by James Massey Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:39
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#1461
Author: James Massey
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:39
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If I want to say "don't forget Tienanmen Square", is it "Tenanmon wa
oboenachatta ikemasen" or "oboenakucha"?

Doomo sumimasen

"/" /_,
Jim Massey
Nova University
Re: On Tienanmen Square (was <none>)
#1532
Author: Akiyama Jun
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:34
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(James Massey) asks:
> If I want to say "don't forget Tienanmen Square", is it "Tenanmon wa
> oboenachatta ikemasen" or "oboenakucha"?

I'd probably say:

	Tienanmen wo wasuretewa ikemasen.

This phrase would also connotate a warning (kind of like "Remember the
Alamo") to the listener/reader.

As for your phrases,

      *	(1) T. wo oboenachatta ikemasen.
	       ^^
	(2) T. wo oboenakucha ikemasen.
               ^^
I would mark (1) as being ungrammatical, while (2) seems quite
awkward.  Note that the 'wa' subject marker is supposed to be the 'wo'
object marker.  

It seems you're using sentence (1) in the same manner as:

	(3) Gohan wo tabechattara ikemasen.
			       ^^
   which would translate loosely to:

	(3t) Don't eat the meal/dinner/rice.

   and more specifically to:

	(3t.2) It would not be correct, if you/he/she/etc were to eat
	       the meal/dinner/rice/etc.

On the other hand, (2) translates loosely to:
	
	(2t) I must memorize T.

which would seem strange, as the sentence sort of means that you have
to go and memorize by rote (as in a multiplication table or a
vocabulary list) the events at Tienamen.  It would be analogous to (2)
to say something like:

	(4) Minna no namae wo oboenakucha ikemasen.

which would be loosely translated to:
	
	(4t) I must go and memorize everyone's name.


Hope that helps.  I apologize for all this babble just for a simple
question like the above, but working on Prolog for several hours can
certainly make a person babble.

Note: please don't hesitate to correct me on any of the above points.
      I'm open to criticisms.

 	Jun



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