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In article <1993Jan26.202040.25821@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	In Kawabata's Sho no syousetu (palm of hand stories)
>	in the story "Natu to Huyu" on page 3 there is a word,
>	"haehairazu" (with the characters for hae "fly" (the insect)
>	and "hairu" (enters)).  Is this a screen door?

Not knowing the original, the best I can guess is that it should
be read as "hae-irazu"; and identical to what is more commonly
known as "hae-tori-gami".
Haetorigami is a roll of paper hung from the ceiling, with
sticky substance (and possibly some attractor substance) on both
sides so that a fly that touches it gest caught.
After a few days with a number of flies on it, it's quite an ugly sight.
I don't think you can find them much nowadays.

By the way, "neko-irazu" is the name of anti-rat pesticide tablets.
Literally, this means "cats not needed".
If my above supposition is correct, note the asymmetry in the naming --
here, it is flies that need get rid of.

In this, I think your "screen door" may be equally valid.
Perhaps if you provide the context, I can do better.

-YH

In article <1993Jan26.202040.25821@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>
>	In Kawabata's Sho no syousetu (palm of hand stories)
>	in the story "Natu to Huyu" on page 3 there is a word,
>	"haehairazu" (with the characters for hae "fly" (the insect)
>	and "hairu" (enters)).  Is this a screen door?
>
>	I've checked Nelsons, and others--but no luck.  Anyone?
>
>
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I haven't met the word "haehairazu".
I consulted my Japanese dictionary, KO^DAN-SHA's NIHONGO-DAI-JITEN,
but there is no discription of "hae hairazu".  
I wonder, whether the reading of "har hairazu" is correct?  

I think "hae hairazu" should be a local term.  From the word 
'hae hairazu', I imazined a fly-net cupboard or fly-net.

If there are no Kanji, I can read in two way...
"hae ha irazu" = I don't need a fly.
"hae hairazu" = A fly will not enter.

cf. screen door = AMI-DO, AMI means 'mesh' and DO(=TO) means 'door'.

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In article <1993Jan26.220407.25507@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.202040.25821@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>>	In Kawabata's Sho no syousetu (palm of hand stories)
>>	in the story "Natu to Huyu" on page 3 there is a word,
>>	"haehairazu" (with the characters for hae "fly" (the insect)


	Quite right in your correction, this is a glaring mistake on
	my part.  (Would you believe a typo?) 


>>	and "hairu" (enters)).  Is this a screen door?
>
>Not knowing the original, the best I can guess is that it should
>be read as "hae-irazu"; and identical to what is more commonly


	Right.  I even have the furigana, and thus no excuse.


>known as "hae-tori-gami".
>Haetorigami is a roll of paper hung from the ceiling, with
>sticky substance (and possibly some attractor substance) on both
>sides so that a fly that touches it gest caught.


	Ahh, fly paper streamers.  I never would have guessed (never
	having seen them).  Much more in tune with the times, that is.


  
>After a few days with a number of flies on it, it's quite an ugly sight.


>I don't think you can find them much nowadays.
>
>By the way, "neko-irazu" is the name of anti-rat pesticide tablets.
>Literally, this means "cats not needed".
>If my above supposition is correct, note the asymmetry in the naming --
>here, it is flies that need get rid of.


	Quite interesting.  Are there any other examples of this? 
	(can't imagine what they'd be for.. Birds, maybe?)


>In this, I think your "screen door" may be equally valid.
>Perhaps if you provide the context, I can do better.


	First, thanks for your help so far.  

	Here is the context:

	itu mo nara, nabe no huta wo tottari, 
	<always, [he] would do things like lift the pan lids,>

	hae-irazu wo aketari sita ue ni,
	<?hang fly strips.. and on top of this,>

	soba he kite Kayoko no yakikata ga doo no koo to kousyaku 
	tokoro de aru.

	<come stand next to her, and lecture Kayoko on her way of cooking.>

	
	I really guessed "screen door" or "screens" because of akeru.  
	But I really like the fly-strip idea (it makes a lot more sense),
	but what's the proper idea, then?

	Thanks for your comments, assistance.



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In article <1993Jan27.013125.8721@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	Here is the context:
>
>	itu mo nara, nabe no huta wo tottari, 
>	<always, [he] would do things like lift the pan lids,>
>
>	hae-irazu wo aketari sita ue ni,
>	<?hang fly strips.. and on top of this,>
>	...

Ah! Now I see.
I was wrong, it's not haetorigami (fly paper streamer?).

I don't want to rob credit from Tetsuya Nishimura (who accidentally
mailed my his solution instead of posting it), so I'll wait till
he posts.   What a suspense!! :-)

-YH

In article <1993Jan26.220407.25507@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.202040.25821@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>>	In Kawabata's Sho no syousetu (palm of hand stories)
>>	in the story "Natu to Huyu" on page 3 there is a word,
>>	"haehairazu" (with the characters for hae "fly" (the insect)
>>	and "hairu" (enters)).  Is this a screen door?
>
>Not knowing the original, the best I can guess is that it should
>be read as "hae-irazu"; and identical to what is more commonly
>known as "hae-tori-gami".
>Haetorigami is a roll of paper hung from the ceiling, with
>sticky substance (and possibly some attractor substance) on both
>sides so that a fly that touches it gest caught.
>After a few days with a number of flies on it, it's quite an ugly sight.
>I don't think you can find them much nowadays.
>
>By the way, "neko-irazu" is the name of anti-rat pesticide tablets.
>Literally, this means "cats not needed".
>If my above supposition is correct, note the asymmetry in the naming --
>here, it is flies that need get rid of.

Um, I hate to point this out, but the "iru" of "hairu" and the "iru" of
"neko ga iranai" are two different words, written with different kanji...
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In article <1993Jan26.220407.25507@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan26.202040.25821@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
|> >	In Kawabata's Sho no syousetu (palm of hand stories)
|> >	in the story "Natu to Huyu" on page 3 there is a word,
|> >	"haehairazu" (with the characters for hae "fly" (the insect)
|> >	and "hairu" (enters)).  Is this a screen door?
|> 
|> Not knowing the original, the best I can guess is that it should
|> be read as "hae-irazu"; and identical to what is more commonly
|> known as "hae-tori-gami".
|> Haetorigami is a roll of paper hung from the ceiling, with
|> sticky substance (and possibly some attractor substance) on both
|> sides so that a fly that touches it gest caught.
|> After a few days with a number of flies on it, it's quite an ugly sight.
|> I don't think you can find them much nowadays.
|> 
|> By the way, "neko-irazu" is the name of anti-rat pesticide tablets.
|> Literally, this means "cats not needed".
|> If my above supposition is correct, note the asymmetry in the naming --
|> here, it is flies that need get rid of.

Well, no asymmetry, I'm afraid. As you say, "irazu" of "neko-irazu"
is derived from verb "iru"(need), while "irazu" of "hae-irazu"
is derived from another verb "iru"(enter) as original poster indicates.

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In article <|1#@byu.edu> luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:
>Um, I hate to point this out, but the "iru" of "hairu" and the "iru" of
>"neko ga iranai" are two different words, written with different kanji...

In a strict, proper sense, you are correct.
The latter "iru" should be written with "you" as in "hitsuyou" (necessary).

But if we look into common usage, many (including writers) don't seem to
agree with you.
Even my Iwanami dictionary lists both meanings under the same heading
(with the kanji for "hairu"), commenting for the latter meaning that
the kanji "you" is more commonly (this may also mean properly) used
("'iru' [using 'you'] to kakunoga futsuu").
As for "neko-irazu", I have seen it written in kana or the "hairu" kanji,
though I don't recall seeing it with "you".

So we still have a superficial (though not semantic) asymmetry in the
two words "hae-irazu" and "neko-irazu".
OK?


As for the comment by Truett Smith:
>Am I the only one who's been near enough to the tropics to know what a 
>"mosquito net" is?  I interpret the phrase "haehairazu wo aketari sita ue ni"
>to mean "rearranging the mosquito netting".

The mosquito net you mention must be "kaya".
Kaya is a larger net that covers a good part of a whole room,
but as far as I know, it is usually used in bedrooms (in lack of a
better term) only at night.

This doesn't seem to fit the given context:
>	itu mo nara, nabe no huta wo tottari, 
>	hae-irazu wo aketari sita ue ni,
>	soba he kite Kayoko no yakikata ga doo no koo to kousyaku 
>	tokoro de aru.

which is a sketch of a person (male, according to Yamanari-san)
fiddling in the chanoma (living/dining room) and the kitchen,
being a nuisance for Kayoko.

-Yuzuru Hiraga