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Article #132Re: universal written language - a protocol for machine translation
From: John Woodgate
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:00
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<7fk8txn9nj.fsf@faith.csis.hku.hk>, Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~}
<sdlee@faith.csis.hku.hk> inimitably wrote:
>I suggest that you try this first:
>
> English --> symbols --> English
>
>
>See if you get the same things back. Very often, translations are
>lossy. You lose information and you introduce noise. So, if you ask
>translator X to translate a text from language A to language B, and
>then ask translator Y (X not equal to Y) to translate the text back
>from language B to A, you'll get a different version of the "same"
>text in language A. Most ideas are preserved, but the subtlets are
>changed.
That's because the '-->' processes are not strictly one-one mappings. It
is fundamental to the 'universal intermediary' idea that the symbol set
must be large enough to ensure strict one-one mapping of all concepts.
You still wouldn't get the same words back in the case of English, which
is a special case due to its huge array of synonyms, but even the
subtleties would be preserved.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
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